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g_bear89
10-12-2011, 12:15 PM
Well..this is going to be a LOOOONG post.. so if you have some time and are willing to give some input, continue reading :angel:

I will start my unfortunate luck with this car since the day I got my new shortblock installed. In April/May, I took my 99 cobra to get a MMR 900 shortblock swapped in at Sinergy. At the same time, the usual got done to the heads. They were resurfaced, new valve guides, valve job...whatever else gets done to them when swapping a shortblock LOL. I bought new gaskets for pretty much everything, including new "heavy duty" Felpro Headgaskets. At the same time, a bunch of other goodies got installed, including aluminum flywheel, ford racing headers, centerforce dual friction clutch, energy suspension motor mounts, MM adjustable clutch quadrant...etc.. nothing huge though. Just a bunch of little things to make the car more enjoyable.

Anyways, the whole process of getting the engine swapped turned out to be a headache. All of this was mainly due to the first shop (not sinergy) that failed at getting the job done and left it half ways done. So by the time Sinergy got a hold of the job back in April, my car was a mess. By a mess, I mean that they literally did half the job, but all my parts were unorganized. They removed the engine, but Mark pretty much had to find which bolt belonged to what because the other shop put all my parts and bolts in a few boxes.

So fastforward a bit...Sinergy is installing my shortblock. While they are doing this, a few issues came up that delayed the completion of my car quite a bit.
First of all, Mark told me the crank that came with the new shortblock was not the right size? So because of that, the new aluminum flywheel would not bolt up to the crank. So the flywheel had to be sent out to be machined to make it just a tiny bit bigger. So that gets done.

The next issue: The engine is put all back together, the headers are installed when the engine is out. It then gets dropped into the car. Things are looking good since this is the closest the car has been to completion since a long time. While trying to install the mid pipe, it is brought to my attention that the bolts on the headers are stripped :angry2: So more delays.

Next issue: after the stripped bolts issue is resolved, everything comes back together finally! By now, it has been 2 weeks (may) since the car was dropped off at sinergy, so you can only guess how excited I am to finally drive my car! (I had not driven it since December when the engine went bye bye) So the car is turned on and everything looks good! Except.. there is a HUGE coolant leak :angry2:

Turned out to be a problem with one of the freezeplugs in the rear of the engine? So Sinergy had to take out the engine and correct the problem...

Finally, after that..the car is finished and I pick it up after 3 weeks. I drive it back to the bay area and on my way back up, a check engine light comes up. 1 of them had to do with engine knock and the other with insufficient egr. Spoke to several people and I was told not to worry too much about it. I was planning on getting the eaton swapped soon which would remove the knock sensors and possibly the egr, so I said fine.. I'll drive it like that in the mean time since thats my only means of transportation.

Another issue that I noticed after the engine swap is that during hard cornering, I can hear some sort of popping towards the front of the car. I have yet to find out what that is.

Another issue: after a long drive (25+min on the highway), when I am making a slow turn (5mph>*) into a parking spot, I can hear something lose towards the middle/rear of the car. I have yet to figure that one out as well =( This only happens when turning very slow.

Another issue: a couple days after the engine swap, there was a loud whine coming near the wheels when turning. This turned out to be my tie rods and it was fixed with a bumpsteer kit.

Also, occasionally... as in maybe twice a week, my car dies when coming to a stop. No clue what that is.

So anyways, about a month and a half ago, I got some 3.73 gears installed in my car at sinergy. That came out great, since it also fixed a huge clunk that I would get after shifting gears. Anyways, Mark was supposed to send me a tune file to correct the gear ratio in the car. So one night, I left my Xcal 3 tuner in the car, planning on getting that done the next morning. Well, the next morning I woke up to my car with a broken window :aaron: My tuner was stolen, my double din head unit I had just gotten was stolen, my ipod was stolen..well.. About $3-4K was lost. My battery post wires were cut, some wires under the dash were cut, and a vacuum line that connects to the ac control panel was cut.

This happened maybe about a month ago?

So after this incident, I have become a bit paranoid about my car. Since that time, I started noticing quite a lot of white smoke coming out of my car after every start. This white smoke continues to come out up to 10 minutes of driving. If i drive it for longer than that, no more smoke comes out. But if I let the car off for about 30 minutes and I turn it on again, white smoke comes out again :angry2::angry2::angry2::angry2:

I have checked the coolant level, and it has remained the same. Oil level is also the same. The smoke is very translucent, and it doesn't really smell like anything. It seems like steam more than anything really. But I still don't know what is causing this. It's pretty depressing thinking how much has gone into this car and it still doesn't run right =( I have no clue where to start or what to do at this point.

Ill try to take some vids of the smoke and some of the noises this week if possible.

Blind
10-12-2011, 12:39 PM
a light weight smoke is normal for all cars, especially in the mornings or evenings when it's cold out. A by-product of combustion in running the engine is water, and that will steam out.

thick white smoke that smells sweet is coolant burning off from a BHG. Bluish smoke is oil burning. Light white smoke right at start-up is totally normal, the exhaust may drip water out too.

g_bear89
10-12-2011, 12:46 PM
a light weight smoke is normal for all cars, especially in the mornings or evenings when it's cold out. A by-product of combustion in running the engine is water, and that will steam out.

thick white smoke that smells sweet is coolant burning off from a BHG. Bluish smoke is oil burning. Light white smoke right at start-up is totally normal, the exhaust may drip water out too.

White smoke comes out even in the middle of a hot day too though =( Happens every time the car has been shut off for at least 30 minutes. Is that normal too? God I hope so. LOL

96COBRAvert
10-12-2011, 01:46 PM
Sounds like u should cut ur loss and start over?

Mizry
10-12-2011, 01:54 PM
can of gas and a match.. but seeing the work done with the issues it will probably burn down by its self.. simplest ass cars and still shops can seem to get them right...

g_bear89
10-12-2011, 03:25 PM
Sounds like u should cut ur loss and start over?

Hmm..Idk. Don't think that would be a good idea since I wouldn't even get half of what I've invested in this car =/

All I want is a damn good running car right now :angry2:

Blind
10-12-2011, 03:47 PM
White smoke comes out even in the middle of a hot day too though =( Happens every time the car has been shut off for at least 30 minutes. Is that normal too? God I hope so. LOL
that's fairly normal. Do you have cats?


I would worry most about the car stalling when coming to a stop randomly. The easiest reason for that to happen is if the VSS is not working, but you didn't mention that your speedometer wasn't working.

I'd check the IAC and TPS, and if those check out I'd pull the plugs to verify gap and check them for moisture.

Greg@RET
10-12-2011, 05:18 PM
Feel free to swing it by and I can take a look at it. No charge to check it out.

t76mach
10-12-2011, 06:35 PM
Hit me up, you can swing by and you know I hook you up like last time :)

RedRyder
10-12-2011, 06:40 PM
mystery solved. :look:

Ogbatman
10-12-2011, 06:47 PM
Oh wow...:laugh:

1EVLPNY
10-12-2011, 06:51 PM
Sounds like this car is gonna continue to be a money pit. Sucks to hear everything that's happened. A fresh start with another car would be better.

And Ren FTW :laugh:

vrt03cobra
10-12-2011, 07:11 PM
mystery solved. :look:

:rofl:

t76mach
10-12-2011, 07:19 PM
mystery solved. :look:

Not gbear, I gave him parts they stole out of his car.

The user with the cobra goes under the id "vtecwht"

96GTS
10-12-2011, 10:01 PM
First of all, Mark told me the crank that came with the new shortblock was not the right size? So because of that, the new aluminum flywheel would not bolt up to the crank. So the flywheel had to be sent out to be machined to make it just a tiny bit bigger. So that gets done.
How many 4.6 cranks are there? I was under the impression that the only differences were cast/forged, 6bolt/8bolt, and with or w/o counter weights (goes along w/ the cast/forged thing). What exactly wasn't the right size? I know this isn't what's holding you up now, but this is the first I've ever heard of that issue..????

Blind
10-12-2011, 10:05 PM
I'm guessing it was a balance mismatch if it had to be machined.

2002 232 stang
10-12-2011, 10:17 PM
John the best advice I can give you is have someone that knows mustangs take a look at it.

g_bear89
10-12-2011, 11:21 PM
How many 4.6 cranks are there? I was under the impression that the only differences were cast/forged, 6bolt/8bolt, and with or w/o counter weights (goes along w/ the cast/forged thing). What exactly wasn't the right size? I know this isn't what's holding you up now, but this is the first I've ever heard of that issue..????

Honestly IDK =/ I was a bit surprised by this too. All Mark told me was that the flywheel would not bolt up to the crank. That the hole in the flywheel had to be made bigger to bolt up to the crank. =(

g_bear89
10-12-2011, 11:29 PM
Feel free to swing it by and I can take a look at it. No charge to check it out.
Thanks. If my car is still running around my thanksgiving break, I'll swing by. I can't right now since I live in the bay area.
Hit me up, you can swing by and you know I hook you up like last time :)
Same as above LOL

Her name is Ponie
10-13-2011, 12:17 AM
Sounds like u should cut ur loss and start over?

...

g_bear89
10-13-2011, 12:48 AM
...

Hmm..Idk. Don't think that would be a good idea since I wouldn't even get half of what I've invested in this car =/

All I want is a damn good running car right now :angry2:

....

96GTS
10-13-2011, 01:21 AM
To the outsider looking in, obviously, it's easier to say cut your losses and get a new car. But not everyone is in a position to do that. And how many of us here have had deeper issues, stuck it out, and are now enjoying their car?? I know its frustrating, been there done that, but just start knocking the issues down one by one and next thing you know, you'll have a bad ass car again.

There are ppl in this thread that are way more qualified to trouble shoot and fix your ride than I am. And what basic knowledge I do have, it's hard for me to help w/o seeing it in person. So I'm not gonna get too involved, but I wish you good luck bro. You'll get there....

Her name is Ponie
10-13-2011, 01:32 AM
To the outsider looking in, obviously, it's easier to say cut your losses and get a new car. But not everyone is in a position to do that. And how many of us here have had deeper issues, stuck it out, and are now enjoying their car?? I know its frustrating, been there done that, but just start knocking the issues down one by one and next thing you know, you'll have a bad ass car again.

There are ppl in this thread that are way more qualified to trouble shoot and fix your ride than I am. And what basic knowledge I do have, it's hard for me to help w/o seeing it in person. So I'm not gonna get too involved, but I wish you good luck bro. You'll get there....

You should write speeches for coaches who's team is down at half time :look:

RedRyder
10-13-2011, 02:35 AM
and you should invest in some lube. 2012 is around the corner and I'm coming for that ass.

To the OP, stick it out bro. No one likes a quitter.

vrt03cobra
10-13-2011, 06:20 AM
Wow, sounds like you've had a lot of fun with this car. I doubt the car has a blown head gasket, but if you want to play it safe take it to a shop to have the cooling system pressure tested. Another thing you might want to check, is your PCV vavle on your valve cover... (if you still have it of course) sometimes they go bad....

Ogbatman
10-13-2011, 09:16 AM
Stick wit it man I know I did and Im glad I did. When modding car is never 100% but it feels good when ur close to it...:laugh:

reivaxtorres
10-13-2011, 09:17 AM
Finally, after that..the car is finished and I pick it up after 3 weeks. I drive it back to the bay area and on my way back up, a check engine light comes up. 1 of them had to do with engine knock and the other with insufficient egr. Spoke to several people and I was told not to worry too much about it. I was planning on getting the eaton swapped soon which would remove the knock sensors and possibly the egr, so I said fine.. I'll drive it like that in the mean time since thats my only means of transportation.

not a good idea to "ignore" a knock sensor issue, fyi. you arent boosted yet, so it probably will never get to the point where it will cause damage, but still not a good idea. insufficent EGR, especially after an engine swap, is usually due to the vacuum lines connecting to the DPFE being accidentally swapped, or the DPFE being accidentally damaged.

Another issue that I noticed after the engine swap is that during hard cornering, I can hear some sort of popping towards the front of the car. I have yet to find out what that is.

do you know if the k member was removed for the enigne swap by either shop? a lot of shops like to do that rather than lifting the engine with a hoist (its easier to remove the entire k member/engine), and when re-installed its either not torqued right or just not re-torqued after some driving. i was having a popping issue with my car once, turned out the steering rack bolts (or the sway bar....cant remember anymore) came a bit loose. just re-torqued them and popping went away.

Another issue: after a long drive (25+min on the highway), when I am making a slow turn (5mph>*) into a parking spot, I can hear something lose towards the middle/rear of the car. I have yet to figure that one out as well =( This only happens when turning very slow.

re torque rear suspension/transmission mount? or you could just have a bushing going out.

Also, occasionally... as in maybe twice a week, my car dies when coming to a stop. No clue what that is.

mine used to do that too, but not that often. maybe once every few months. stopped doing it on its own. does it just turn off, or does it kinda stubble then die?

So anyways, about a month and a half ago, I got some 3.73 gears installed in my car at sinergy. That came out great, since it also fixed a huge clunk that I would get after shifting gears. Anyways, Mark was supposed to send me a tune file to correct the gear ratio in the car. So one night, I left my Xcal 3 tuner in the car, planning on getting that done the next morning. Well, the next morning I woke up to my car with a broken window :aaron: My tuner was stolen, my double din head unit I had just gotten was stolen, my ipod was stolen..well.. About $3-4K was lost. My battery post wires were cut, some wires under the dash were cut, and a vacuum line that connects to the ac control panel was cut.

that sucks dude......

So after this incident, I have become a bit paranoid about my car. Since that time, I started noticing quite a lot of white smoke coming out of my car after every start. This white smoke continues to come out up to 10 minutes of driving. If i drive it for longer than that, no more smoke comes out. But if I let the car off for about 30 minutes and I turn it on again, white smoke comes out again :angry2::angry2::angry2::angry2:

I have checked the coolant level, and it has remained the same. Oil level is also the same. The smoke is very translucent, and it doesn't really smell like anything. It seems like steam more than anything really. But I still don't know what is causing this. It's pretty depressing thinking how much has gone into this car and it still doesn't run right =( I have no clue where to start or what to do at this point.

Ill try to take some vids of the smoke and some of the noises this week if possible.

blind is right, white smoke is normal, even on hot days. shouldnt happen for too long on hot days tho.


the info above are just guessing from my part, and probably what i would start with first if you cant take the car to a shop anytime soon. Like everyone says, stick it out as much as you can. maybe just pick up a cheap DD and take a break from your mustang for a bit.

Her name is Ponie
10-13-2011, 09:43 AM
and you should invest in some lube. 2012 is around the corner and I'm coming for that ass.

To the OP, stick it out bro. No one likes a quitter.

:cry: I'm ready need to get extended studs open lug nuts and a fire jacket and helmet. To the op, if you provide the gasoline my round trip flight and some food ill provide the matches(are there any og members that remember John with the silver v6) and solve all your problems :look:

VW.A.S.P.
10-13-2011, 11:49 AM
Try driving a VW for awhile. Then you will not complain so much about your Fords!

2002 232 stang
10-13-2011, 01:54 PM
Stick wit it man I know I did and Im glad I did. When modding car is never 100% but it feels good when ur close to it...:laugh:

I agree with you Mason it took me sometime to get my car running and it was so worth it.

M.Dest.B
10-14-2011, 10:12 AM
not a good idea to "ignore" a knock sensor issue, fyi. you arent boosted yet, so it probably will never get to the point where it will cause damage, but still not a good idea. insufficent EGR, especially after an engine swap, is usually due to the vacuum lines connecting to the DPFE being accidentally swapped, or the DPFE being accidentally damaged.



do you know if the k member was removed for the enigne swap by either shop? a lot of shops like to do that rather than lifting the engine with a hoist (its easier to remove the entire k member/engine), and when re-installed its either not torqued right or just not re-torqued after some driving. i was having a popping issue with my car once, turned out the steering rack bolts (or the sway bar....cant remember anymore) came a bit loose. just re-torqued them and popping went away.



re torque rear suspension/transmission mount? or you could just have a bushing going out.



mine used to do that too, but not that often. maybe once every few months. stopped doing it on its own. does it just turn off, or does it kinda stubble then die?



that sucks dude......



blind is right, white smoke is normal, even on hot days. shouldnt happen for too long on hot days tho.


the info above are just guessing from my part, and probably what i would start with first if you cant take the car to a shop anytime soon. Like everyone says, stick it out as much as you can. maybe just pick up a cheap DD and take a break from your mustang for a bit.

if u want something done right......

after all that tweaking to the car, he will be able to do the next swap himself :cheers:
:cry: I'm ready need to get extended studs open lug nuts and a fire jacket and helmet. To the op, if you provide the gasoline my round trip flight and some food ill provide the matches(are there any og members that remember John with the silver v6) and solve all your problems :look:

pwahahaa

Her name is Ponie
10-14-2011, 11:00 AM
I sir demand more points in your Sig :nod:

V3NOM3S
10-14-2011, 12:07 PM
Stay on topic fellas.

Her name is Ponie
10-14-2011, 12:16 PM
Last off topic post race me Ernie :gears:

g_bear89
12-02-2011, 01:03 PM
Soooooo.. Over the thanksgiving break, I took the car to RET and Greg fixed some lines from the EGR that were completely burned -_- I had never noticed them, so I guess that was giving the CEL for the egr code. Thankfully, no CEL has came back since. Also....*sigh*. not sure for how long I ran the car like this..but I also noticed that the air filter on my car was missing. I had a BBK cold air intake where the filter is hidden, sitting by the fenderwell.and yeah...when I was under the car the other day I noticed there was nothing there anymore. So I put my stock intake back on with a KN filter. Also *crossing my fingers*... there has been almost no smoke coming out of my car for the past 2 days after I turn on the car. Hopefully it stays like this.

96GTS
12-02-2011, 01:41 PM
Good to hear!

Did you solve the suspension/front end clunk/popping noise?

g_bear89
12-02-2011, 11:58 PM
The front end is still making noise =/ I think I might know what is causing it though..well, one of the noises at least haha

g_bear89
12-04-2011, 06:22 PM
I'm really not sure if what Greg did solved the smoke issue I had with my car, but DAMN it feels great driving the car and not seeing a smoke screen behind me haha. So thanks for the help Greg! Also, I noticed that on my camber plates (passenger side) there is a rivet? missing that holds the plate onto the tower, so maybe that causes the popping noise during right turns? I'll have to get that fixed and see if it continues making that pop.

96GTS
12-04-2011, 07:45 PM
What CC plates? Only the stock ones use rivets...

g_bear89
12-05-2011, 11:54 AM
What CC plates? Only the stock ones use rivets...

Sorry, yeah. It's the stock ones. Could that cause a popping noise during turns?

Blind
12-05-2011, 12:04 PM
Sorry, yeah. It's the stock ones. Could that cause a popping noise during turns?
not unless the strut nuts bottomed out before actually tightening up.

Jack the front up and use a long pry bar where all the bolts are to put pressure to lift the component up when it's unloaded, if it moves you found the part to tighten/replace.

balljoints, ti-rod ends, control arm bolts, strut to spindle, swaybar endlinks, swaybar to body mounts, steering rack bushings, etc etc.

2002 232 stang
12-05-2011, 03:52 PM
Good to hear that Greg was able to fix your car John.

Greg@RET
12-05-2011, 05:43 PM
No sweat man. If you want us to check out the suspension clunk bring it by.