Eaton Swap

[g_bear89]

Has anyone done a eaton swap on their cobra/mach 1? I plan on doing one, but damn..the part list seems pretty big..and every time I find someone selling a "complete kit", there are always parts missing :angry2: How difficult is it to the do swap once all the parts are acquired? Anyone want to help me do the swap during the summer? :afro: haha. There is some guy selling a "complete kit" for 1500, but its missing the timing cover and several other parts...however, the eaton supposedly has a stage 4 port already..so i might get that and just collect the remaining parts. My only concern now is if this will pass smog =(

[MR.KNOCKOUT]

one of my friends is selling a ported blower.

[g_bear89]

ask em if he wants to hook up a slowbra owner :D haha. Do you know his asking price?

[t76mach]

I think it's to much work :/ that's just me, IMO get the on3 kit. I can tell you what's needed to make it problem free and leak free.

[MR.KNOCKOUT]

ask em if he wants to hook up a slowbra owner :D haha. Do you know his asking price?

lol last time i spoke with him he was asking 800
its a stage 5 port job

[g_bear89]

I think it's to much work :/ that's just me, IMO get the on3 kit. I can tell you what's needed to make it problem free and leak free.

well i was dead set on a on3 before, but idk... i plan on auto crossing pretty often, and im not sure how well will the upr k member hold up and how will the car behave with the turbo boost while making turns haha. Also, does the car have good low end power? Cuz i know with the eaton it will make pretty good power down low which is ideal for autocross..

[t76mach]

well i was dead set on a on3 before, but idk... i plan on auto crossing pretty often, and im not sure how well will the upr k member hold up and how will the car behave with the turbo boost while making turns haha. Also, does the car have good low end power? Cuz i know with the eaton it will make pretty good power down low which is ideal for autocross..

That's true, I haven't had issues with the k member but I have of upr cracking.


I didn't know you where gonna autocross so ya eaton should be better.

[g_bear89]

That's true, I haven't had issues with the k member but I have of upr cracking.


I didn't know you where gonna autocross so ya eaton should be better.

yeah. How does your upr k feel? What I really liked about it is that it saves a bunch of weight up front.. and now that I switched from my aluminum block to a cast iron one, i will try to lose some weight to make up for it =/. I should have just rebuilt my block. oh well. haha

[t76mach]

Makes all kinds of noises lol, but it handles better then stock and even without The front sway bar.

[vrt03cobra]

yeah. How does your upr k feel? What I really liked about it is that it saves a bunch of weight up front.. and now that I switched from my aluminum block to a cast iron one, i will try to lose some weight to make up for it =/. I should have just rebuilt my block. oh well. haha

Why didn't you just re-use your aluminum block?

regarding the eaton swap... to be honest why don't you just buy a nice centri blower setup for your year? Like a Vortech or Procharger etc...

Only reason I ask is because I've done it to the 01 Cobra and in the end you almost ended up paying the same amount of $$$ (used of course)

Either way let me just get home and I get a list up for you...

[LXS]

Why didn't you just re-use your aluminum block?

regarding the eaton swap... to be honest why don't you just buy a nice centri blower setup for your year? Like a Vortech or Procharger etc...

Only reason I ask is because I've done it to the 01 Cobra and in the end you almost ended up paying the same amount of $$$ (used of course)

Either way let me just get home and I get a list up for you...


x2!! Yeah man, you're gonna spend a good amount of coin to swap an Eaton on! Obviously not impossible, but will be pricier then you think. Hit up Dave 32vlvr, he did it to his Mach. Sucker runs good and hard which is proof it can be done and will work, buy I'm sure he can really give you the low down as to how much it ended up costing him in the end.

[96GTS]

I think I have an 03/04 timing cover. Let it go cheap if you buy that "complete kit".

[LXS]

I think I have an 03/04 timing cover. Let it go cheap if you buy that "complete kit".

That'll work! Definitely a plus right there! :nod:

[Greg@RET]

Fuel to a fire :angel:

http://www.lamustangclub.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5248&highlight=Eaton

[BISKIT]

Done the swap 6 times already on Mach's and NA cobras. Unless you can get the parts for cheap, I'd say avoid this project.

The parts lists I have seen on Mach1registry and svtperformance are both incomplete.

It is not for the faint of heart or light of wallet.

[g_bear89]

Why didn't you just re-use your aluminum block?

regarding the eaton swap... to be honest why don't you just buy a nice centri blower setup for your year? Like a Vortech or Procharger etc...

Only reason I ask is because I've done it to the 01 Cobra and in the end you almost ended up paying the same amount of $$$ (used of course)

Either way let me just get home and I get a list up for you...

I got impatient and bought a built cast iron block =/. MMR 900. Didn't want to pay 700 extra for the aluminator block, so just stuck with the cast iron one. I did however, get all the other goodies they offer at a pretty good price haha.

I want to go eaton because well, it just sounds much better and the cool factor is x10 haha. Also, seems like the eaton would have much more power down low. When you gather that list, lmk :D

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I think I have an 03/04 timing cover. Let it go cheap if you buy that "complete kit".

sweet, pm me a price :angel:

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Done the swap 6 times already on Mach's and NA cobras. Unless you can get the parts for cheap, I'd say avoid this project.

The parts lists I have seen on Mach1registry and svtperformance are both incomplete.

It is not for the faint of heart or light of wallet.

Well, my goal is to get the parts for cheap haha. I will be looking around for deals. Ill just take it slowly until I can gather everything. My goal is to hopefully stay below 2K in parts. There is some guy that sells a true complete kit for 2800. So that would be my last option. His kit contains every imaginable part, including the fuel components and gaskets :D

[06silverbullet]

why not just get a kb kit?

[BISKIT]

I got impatient and bought a built cast iron block =/. MMR 900. Didn't want to pay 700 extra for the aluminator block, so just stuck with the cast iron one. I did however, get all the other goodies they offer at a pretty good price haha.

I want to go eaton because well, it just sounds much better and the cool factor is x10 haha. Also, seems like the eaton would have much more power down low. When you gather that list, lmk :D

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sweet, pm me a price :angel:

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Well, my goal is to get the parts for cheap haha. I will be looking around for deals. Ill just take it slowly until I can gather everything. My goal is to hopefully stay below 2K in parts. There is some guy that sells a true complete kit for 2800. So that would be my last option. His kit contains every imaginable part, including the fuel components and gaskets :D

If you want, shoot me over the list you got in this "complete" kit and I'll let you know if you actually have everything you need.

For every person that has told me they have "everything needed" they still seem to be missing parts.

[MartyParty]

Funny... The guy selling it on that board is named Biskit, as well... Hmmm.

[BISKIT]

What board? Or was that your attempt at humor?

[vrt03cobra]

why not just get a kb kit?

For the first time I agree with this guy ^^^^^^^^^^^^

[g_bear89]

why not just get a kb kit?

As in the kb kit for the 99 cobra? Seems like that would be the most costly option. If you meant KB kit for 03 cobra, that will be later on in the future after the eaton swap :angel:

[06silverbullet]

For the first time I agree with this guy ^^^^^^^^^^^^

:cheers:

[BISKIT]

Depends on how much you want to make. One of my customers did an eaton conversion as he already had a built 01 motor with a KB but with the 6 rib setup and small blower he was seeing belt slip over 15 psi and couldn't make more power. Hence he had us do the 03/04 conversion and brought me a big KB (against my advice). A month later he was ordering a Whipple.

Greg probably remembers the guy as he tuned the car.

[vrt03cobra]

Just put a STS kit , call it a day :angel:

[g_bear89]

Depends on how much you want to make. One of my customers did an eaton conversion as he already had a built 01 motor with a KB but with the 6 rib setup and small blower he was seeing belt slip over 15 psi and couldn't make more power. Hence he had us do the 03/04 conversion and brought me a big KB (against my advice). A month later he was ordering a Whipple.

Greg probably remembers the guy as he tuned the car.

Yup =) Well for now, I plan on doing the eaton swap with a ported blower, hoping to make anywhere from 450-500 with a pulley swap. After that, I will first invest in a tranny, then beef up the IRS a bit, and either go KB or Whipple :angel: but im not worrying about that right now, since the KB/Whipple won't be relevant till next year =). I just want to get this eaton swap by summer so I can take it autocrossing. Once I'm done with the car, I hope to be making between 600-700 RWHP......but thats a long time from now haha.

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If you want, shoot me over the list you got in this "complete" kit and I'll let you know if you actually have everything you need.

For every person that has told me they have "everything needed" they still seem to be missing parts.

Yeah Ill send you that list later on today =D

[BISKIT]

Yup =) Well for now, I plan on doing the eaton swap with a ported blower, hoping to make anywhere from 450-500 with a pulley swap. After that, I will first invest in a tranny, then beef up the IRS a bit, and either go KB or Whipple :angel: but im not worrying about that right now, since the KB/Whipple won't be relevant till next year =). I just want to get this eaton swap by summer so I can take it autocrossing. Once I'm done with the car, I hope to be making between 600-700 RWHP......but thats a long time from now haha.

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Yeah Ill send you that list later on today =D

:wink:

[06silverbullet]

Just put a STS kit , call it a day :angel:

sts can only do so much

[g_bear89]

sts can only do so much

a sts with two t76 :look:

[06silverbullet]

a sts with two t76 :look:

that's pussy shit twin t88's

[96GTS]

sweet, pm me a price :angel:
Lemme go make sure I actually [still] have it.... BRB....

[g_bear89]

Lemme go make sure I actually [still] have it.... BRB....

cool :D

[96GTS]

Bah! It's a 99-01 Cobra front cover. Want to buy it anyways? I'll make ya a helluva deal :D

Also have a Lightning cover w/ blower cage, so that's where I got confused...

Carry on.... LOL

[mc0311grunt]

just throw a fuck ton of nitrous at it. Foggers. IT'll hold. Start with a 350 hit and go from there

:look:

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j/k i have nothing useful to add to this thread. Good luck with el conversion

[g_bear89]

Bah! It's a 99-01 Cobra front cover. Want to buy it anyways? I'll make ya a helluva deal :D

Also have a Lightning cover w/ blower cage, so that's where I got confused...

Carry on.... LOL
haha, ill buy yours if you buy mine :D
Dang, got me excited there for a moment =/ LOL

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just throw a fuck ton of nitrous at it. Foggers. IT'll hold. Start with a 350 hit and go from there

:look:

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j/k i have nothing useful to add to this thread. Good luck with el conversion

haha, i actually was thinking about doing that for a while..but.. i didn't want to deal with the whole refilling bottles thing LOL..which is why i went with a low compression engine =/

[96GTS]

haha, ill buy yours if you buy mine :D
Dang, got me excited there for a moment =/ LOL
No thanks. Buy mine for $60, and I'll give you $60 when you give me back your core :look:

[grumps91GT]

GL with your project.

[g_bear89]

GL with your project.
thanks! I just found someone local going turbo that is selling most of his parts =D. I might be able to get every single part for about 2500..so not bad :afro:

[vrt03cobra]

thanks! I just found someone local going turbo that is selling most of his parts =D. I might be able to get every single part for about 2500..so not bad :afro:

Good Deal. That actually works out best.

I have these parts sitting in my Garage off my Vert if you need any of them.

Stock Maf
Lower Pulley and Cage
Stock Headers
Stock Idlers
Stock H/E
Stock H/E coolant tank

I think I have more things sitting around just have to look :D

[MartyParty]

Just put a STS kit , call it a day :angel:

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! oh man... good pull!

[g_bear89]

Good Deal. That actually works out best.

I have these parts sitting in my Garage off my Vert if you need any of them.

Stock Maf
Lower Pulley and Cage
Stock Headers
Stock Idlers
Stock H/E
Stock H/E coolant tank

I think I have more things sitting around just have to look :D
thanks! hey i have a quick question.. so the guy selling me the kit said he didn't want to cut any pigtails off his wiring..so he said that we could just swap the wiring and i should be good...is that true? Or will i also need his computer?

[vrt03cobra]

thanks! hey i have a quick question.. so the guy selling me the kit said he didn't want to cut any pigtails off his wiring..so he said that we could just swap the wiring and i should be good...is that true? Or will i also need his computer?

I used the existing harness from the 01 cobra. I would imagine you have to because it's different. Considering the cobra has 2 air temp sensors compared to regular cobra having only 1. I would check with Greg on that one :cheers:

[BISKIT]

No you don't need the computer from the terminator. There are a couple of tricks on how to make the dual temp sensors work.

[g_bear89]

Hmm, so after some calculations... This will end up costing me roughly 3300 installed. thats with 60 lb injectors, KB boost a pump, Ford GT pump, LFP HE, JLT RAI, LPF SBTB, sonic blue billitflow idlers & snub idler with a stock eaton... not bad =) Should be ready by April

[Ogbatman]

Just to let you know make sure that the Ford GT pump fits in the hat cuz in my GT the pump kept penching in the bucket and leaning out the fuel cuz its much bigger.

[t76mach]

Hmm, so after some calculations... This will end up costing me roughly 3300 installed. thats with 60 lb injectors, KB boost a pump, Ford GT pump, LFP HE, JLT RAI, LPF SBTB, sonic blue billitflow idlers & snub idler with a stock eaton... not bad =) Should be ready by April

Just remember this, it's always more $$$$ so shoot High instead..

Little things get pricey fast

[Greg@RET]

thanks! hey i have a quick question.. so the guy selling me the kit said he didn't want to cut any pigtails off his wiring..so he said that we could just swap the wiring and i should be good...is that true? Or will i also need his computer?

Keep your harness and your computer, do not trade them.

No you don't need the computer from the terminator. There are a couple of tricks on how to make the dual temp sensors work.

His car just has 1 IAT sensor, the terminator has 2. Just move his IAT wire to the map sensor on the terminator blower. You cant run 2 IAT on a 99-01 cobra

Hmm, so after some calculations... This will end up costing me roughly 3300 installed. thats with 60 lb injectors, KB boost a pump, Ford GT pump, LFP HE, JLT RAI, LPF SBTB, sonic blue billitflow idlers & snub idler with a stock eaton... not bad =) Should be ready by April

That sounds extremely cheap.

[g_bear89]

Keep your harness and your computer, do not trade them.



His car just has 1 IAT sensor, the terminator has 2. Just move his IAT wire to the map sensor on the terminator blower. You cant run 2 IAT on a 99-01 cobra



That sounds extremely cheap.

Is there a reason why I shouldn't trade the wiring harness? The guy kept telling me it would make it easier? That way he wouldn't have to remove the pigtail connectors or something like that haha. But yeah.. If all checks out, this should be a hell of a deal :D

[Greg@RET]

Its a trap :aaron:

[BondoSHO]

That sounds extremely cheap.

That's what I was thinking. I'd budget another 1000 for just in case situations.

[vrt03cobra]

His car just has 1 IAT sensor, the terminator has 2. Just move his IAT wire to the map sensor on the terminator blower. You cant run 2 IAT on a 99-01 cobra
.

I knew I was right :D

[g_bear89]

alright... so some things were added...looks like this will end up costing me roughly 4400 installed/tune. Will have a ported blower/tb/plenum. It will be set up to make around 500 RWHP. My biggest concern now is how long my t45 will last with that power =/. I guess as long as I baby it it should be good till I upgrade to a t56. things did add up pretty quickly..but I think I'm getting a hell of a deal. This is what will be included: Posi ported blower/tb/plenum, 90mm lighting MAF with MAFIA, LPF Heat exchanger, Intercooler Expansion tank, 60lb injectors, 04 cobra tank+KB BAP, Boost/Wideband/fuel pressure gauges, 2.76 pulley, JLT RAM air intake, and black billetflow snub idler.... not bad I would say =D. I just have one question right now.. the clutch that is in the t45 right now has about 45k miles..would it be wise to get a new one while everything is being swapped, or should i leave the stock one till the tranny blows/i upgrade to a t56 later in the fall haha

[grumps91GT]

your gonna do it sooner or later. Might as well do it now. :shurg:

[g_bear89]

your gonna do it sooner or later. Might as well do it now. :shurg:

well, since the t45 will only be in there for a bit, i didn't want to put more money into it.. and would the t45 have more of a chance surviving with a worn clutch than with a brand new one? lol.

[grumps91GT]

Sry man, I misread your post.

Just wait it out. If your not planning on 7K clutch dumps, then I think you'll be fine til you get your 6sp.

[06silverbullet]

t56 viper spec ftmfw

autos are for vatos

[LXS]

t56 viper spec ftmfw

autos are for vatos

That made no sense whatsoever :ugh: :no:

[06silverbullet]

That made no sense whatsoever :ugh: :no:

marcello was talking about a upgrading trannies and i hate autos because they're por vatos :D i've also had a few rum n cokes and a couple of burs

[Wishing4cobra]

With a ported blower and smaller pullies you should be worried more about that motor instead of the trans holding up.

[g_bear89]

With a ported blower and smaller pullies you should be worried more about that motor instead of the trans holding up.

Im hoping the new MMR 900 shortblock can handle that power for now :angel:

[black3v4.6]

marcello was talking about a upgrading trannies and i hate autos because they're por vatos :D i've also had a few rum n cokes and a couple of burs

it still doesn't make sense. I don't like spiders but that isn't revalant to weither or not he should change his clutch.

to answer his question I think you will be fine with your clutch now. As long as your not on the gas when your letting out the clutch its not going to wear that much faster with the blower. Its when you are on the gas and letting out the clutch that your going to see it wear fast.

[g_bear89]

alright guys, so i bought all the stuff already.... Paid 2850 for the whole kit including 03 cobra tank... Now my question is...to those that have done the swap already..how hard of a task is this? The guy at the shop said he would charge me 750 to install the kit, plus whatever his tuner charges me for the tune... I haven't done any big jobs or anything..mainly little things here and there like swapping fuel pump, replacing radiator, tune up..etc.. would it be too much of a hassle to do the job myself? And does anyone know of a "how to" or write up on doing the whole thing? I found several threads, but none of them were detailed..just very basic instructions.... or should i just avoid this and pay up 750 for the install? is 750 the normal rate for this job?

[vrt03cobra]

Looked at the previous post. I hope you got the lower intake, crank pulley, timing cover and all the brackets that come along with the idlers. You might also need a EGR delete unless he provided you with his Egr stuff.

As for the install 750 isnt too bad. Unless you know you're shit I wouldn't recommend this to a average person..

[Wishing4cobra]

alright guys, so i bought all the stuff already.... Paid 2850 for the whole kit including 03 cobra tank... Now my question is...to those that have done the swap already..how hard of a task is this? The guy at the shop said he would charge me 750 to install the kit, plus whatever his tuner charges me for the tune... I haven't done any big jobs or anything..mainly little things here and there like swapping fuel pump, replacing radiator, tune up..etc.. would it be too much of a hassle to do the job myself? And does anyone know of a "how to" or write up on doing the whole thing? I found several threads, but none of them were detailed..just very basic instructions.... or should i just avoid this and pay up 750 for the install? is 750 the normal rate for this job?

Wow 750 is a hell of a steal if he knows exactly what hes doing. Remember its not all swap the old and install the new parts. Check Mach1registry and there are quite a few writeups. If you have never done anything like this I would recommend taking it a professional.

[t76mach]

Don't you have to still swap in the mmr900? So does that labor include that? If so that's a cheap price. (either way it's cheap but ultra cheap with the motor lol)

Whose gonna tune the car?

[g_bear89]

Looked at the previous post. I hope you got the lower intake, crank pulley, timing cover and all the brackets that come along with the idlers. You might also need a EGR delete unless he provided you with his Egr stuff.

As for the install 750 isnt too bad. Unless you know you're shit I wouldn't recommend this to a average person..
yup, that was included =)

did you do the conversion yourself, or did you have help?

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Don't you have to still swap in the mmr900? So does that labor include that? If so that's a cheap price. (either way it's cheap but ultra cheap with the motor lol)

Whose gonna tune the car?

thats separate. Im getting the mmr 900 swapped in socal for 650, and getting the eaton conversion done up here in norcal for 750. Going to take the car to AED for the tune...... hmm.unless i can somehow manage to bring the complete eaton swap with me down to socal and ask the shop if they are capable of doing the eaton swap...

[vrt03cobra]

yup, that was included =)

did you do the conversion yourself, or did you have help?

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thats separate. Im getting the mmr 900 swapped in socal for 650, and getting the eaton conversion done up here in norcal for 750. Going to take the car to AED for the tune...... hmm.unless i can somehow manage to bring the complete eaton swap with me down to socal and ask the shop if they are capable of doing the eaton swap...

Me and my Buddy did the swap. But remember I've been swapping out cobra motors for a long time now so I already knew what I had to do :D

I would just do everything at once to be honest. Less of a hassel since the motor is out. So get it done here in so*cal and take the car to Greg @ RET :D

[t76mach]

I would recommend taking it to a one stop shop. If mark or Greg can handle everything from the swap to the tune. Take it to them. Not to 3 different shops...

[grouchy01]

take it to t76NasaTechnologyRacing because he has a snap on verdict :look:

[MR.KNOCKOUT]

:cheers::hystlaugh:take it to t76NasaTechnologyRacing because he has a snap on verdict :look:

[96GTS]

I would just do everything at once to be honest. Less of a hassel since the motor is out. So get it done here in so*cal and take the car to Greg @ RET :D
This.

[Greg@RET]

I will say one thing, I cant even get close to the pricing your putting up. A custom dyno tune alone is $500. Do you live in NorCal? If not might want to think about the gas you will spend driving.

[g_bear89]

I will say one thing, I cant even get close to the pricing your putting up. A custom dyno tune alone is $500. Do you live in NorCal? If not might want to think about the gas you will spend driving.

Yeah I live in NorCal. Well, for the most part haha. I am a student up here, but I will go down to socal to get my car repaired because thats where it is right now. I will do that next week in my spring break vacation. Once its over, I will drive back up here to school where I was planning on getting the swap done... So I guess the gas wouldn't really matter because I would have had to pay eitherway to get back up here to school LOL

[Wishing4cobra]

realistically, most shops like RET or Sinergy will charge anywhere from 2-3k to install it. Then you add another $500 in your budget for missing parts because there will always be missing parts.

So at the end your looking at around 5-6k for the swap and tune.

[g_bear89]

realistically, most shops like RET or Sinergy will charge anywhere from 2-3k to install it. Then you add another $500 in your budget for missing parts because there will always be missing parts.

So at the end your looking at around 5-6k for the swap and tune.

Haha yeah, I wasn't expecting that much just for the swap =/. But I guess if it was that easy everyone would be doing it themselves. Ill keep my options open for now and see what would be the best choice

[Ogbatman]

I will say going cheap on a project this big is going to cost you twice as much.

$750 may sound good but will it b quality work. U better hope he doesnt half azz it like another cobra swap I know of whos car cant hold any fluids at all.

[g_bear89]

I will say going cheap on a project this big is going to cost you twice as much.

$750 may sound good but will it b quality work. U better hope he doesnt half azz it like another cobra swap I know of whos car cant hold any fluids at all.

Well its a performance shop in sacramento. I am paying him to do quality work, so I better hope he does the job correctly as expected otherwise I won't take the car back until its done right haha. It's not like I am paying some shady guy that will work on it at his garage or something LOL. So I'll see I guess. He seems like a legit guy. I was just hoping to get everything done at once, but it actually seems like that would end up costing more =/ I'm not trying to be cheap or anything, but I also don't want to over pay if I know someone else can do it for a fair price. I cheaped out once with a transmission job and ended up paying much more later. Fortunately there is a really good mechanic about 300 feet away from my house that does most of the jobs for a damn cheap price LOL. Too bad I didn't go directly to him the first time. He's the one doing the shortblock swap for 650. Last time he only charged me 150 for a tranny/clutch swap :angel: