I'm tired of waiting

[t76mach]

Vince cough up some videos of your dyno, and how is the car running now? Is it running faster?

[Nicksbluestang]

:laugh:

[LXS]

Does he have a vid? Not talkin trash here, but seriously speaking, I think a lot of us are interested to see how much power your car is pushing out! :cheers:

[t76mach]

I blew my Mach up on the dyno at swansons maybe he also won't post videos cause it went kaboom?


YouTube - Supercharged GT500 blows up on the Dyno

[BondoSHO]

:popcorn:

[06silverbullet]

greg can add what ever else he wants as he has better dyno sheet images.

http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o289/GregRET/New%20RET%20Shop/IMG_20101216_143628.jpg

YouTube - STS TT S197 tuned @ RET

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs1231.snc4/156378_10150101755351779_774676778_7202735_7429849 _n.jpg

[Greg@RET]

I am making a thread now. Hold tight...

[LXS]

Interesting! Not bad vince! :cheers:

[BISKIT]

Greg, please let it go. No one has said anything about what happened and this can only get ugly.

I know you usually stay away from e-pissing matches and I think it would be in the best interest of Vince and RET if matters were discussed between you two privately.

[YOUNGIN]

vid sounds badass..

[Greg@RET]

Tell you what Mark, ban the guy causing the problems on this site or I am posting. You know me and I am always reserved.

Vince let me know what you want, I can post or just stay reserved.

[5litrarag]

I blew my Mach up on the dyno at swansons maybe he also won't post videos cause it went kaboom?


YouTube - Supercharged GT500 blows up on the Dyno (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6WgqdUr4zZ4&feature=youtube_gdata_player)

Are you saying its Swanson fault that your mach blew up on the dyno....?

---------- Post added 12-18-2010 at 04:59 PM ----------

Tell you what Mark, ban the guy causing the problems on this site or I am posting. You know me and I am always reserved.

Vince let me know what you want, I can post or just stay reserved.

Good move....

Seeing as how he asked a question he already knew the answer to, shows exactly what he was up.

[BISKIT]

Tell you what Mark, ban the guy causing the problems on this site or I am posting. You know me and I am always reserved.

Vince let me know what you want, I can post or just stay reserved.

The rules for banning are very clear and although he might be antagonizing he has not done anything that is a bannable offense.

I do not have the authority to ban people at a whim. The membership decides that and Damon or I carry out their will, unless it is a clear cut situation of bannable offense.

I will ask "that guy" and he knows who he is, to back off.

Matters and issues of concern with a shop have a proper way of being handled and poking at someone on a messageboard aint it.

If Sergio or Vince, or whomever has issues with RET or Sinergy or whomever, first contact that shop owner and see if you can resolve your problems. If they tell you to pound sand, then do what you feel is necessary. There has been enough drama around these parts as of late and I don't think there needs to be more.

I would ask though that you not try and throw us (Sinergy) under the bus as this wasn't our rodeo.
You know where to reach me if you want to discuss the matter privately.

[t76mach]

Theirs always svt,mach1 registry and a handful of other forums :) I just asked for a dyno video and got a pm from a member about what happened.

Greg it isn't nothing personal I really like watching videos and looking at pictures that's why I try to do the same. If something happens like when I blew up my old motor I post it and just laugh about it, I never once got mad about it blowing up.

[5litrarag]

The rules for banning are very clear and although he might be antagonizing he has not done anything that is a bannable offense.

I do not have the authority to ban people at a whim. The membership decides that and Damon or I carry out their will, unless it is a clear cut situation of bannable offense.

I will ask "that guy" and he knows who he is, to back off.

Matters and issues of concern with a shop have a proper way of being handled and poking at someone on a messageboard aint it.

If Sergio or Vince, or whomever has issues with RET or Sinergy or whomever, first contact that shop owner and see if you can resolve your problems. If they tell you to pound sand, then do what you feel is necessary. There has been enough drama around these parts as of late and I don't think there needs to be more.

I would ask though that you not try and throw us (Sinergy) under the bus as this wasn't our rodeo.
You know where to reach me if you want to discuss the matter privately.


Not your rodeo? :confused:
Your customer, your install, your tune (blue graph)..... right?

[Greg@RET]

Vince up to you bud.

I have been a vendor here longer then anyone, never had any issues in all these years. The continuous slanderous remarks is getting old.

[5litrarag]

Theirs always svt,mach1 registry and a handful of other forums :) I just asked for a dyno video and got a pm from a member about what happened.

Greg it isn't nothing personal I really like watching videos and looking at pictures that's why I try to do the same. If something happens like when I blew up my old motor I post it and just laugh about it, I never once got mad about it blowing up.

You're just starting shit dude..... its obvious. :no:

[Greg@RET]

Greg it isn't nothing personal I really like watching videos and looking at pictures that's why I try to do the same. If something happens like when I blew up my old motor I post it and just laugh about it, I never once got mad about it blowing up.

There is a bunch of things you do not know about, and me being the professional I am has been staying quiet.

[Greg@RET]

One thing I want to say is its not that the motor popped later that day when he was driving. Its how quick it happened, we all know a 3V with a power adder wont last forever. I just have never seen one go that I tuned that fast. I will put up a pic of the graph so everyone can see the a/f. 11.6 and Vince will tell you after that pull I added another 2% fuel at WOT just to be safe.

http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o289/GregRET/STS.jpg

People I have tuned just on this site with a 3v power adder never popped a motor let alone later that day.... Marks STS turbo, Jaime, Daniel, Kris H., and a few others I cant think of right now.

[BISKIT]

Not your rodeo? :confused:
Your customer, your install, your tune (blue graph)..... right?

Kevin, please don't get involved in something you know little to nothing about.

I don't know what happened between the car last leaving here and hitting the rollers at Gregs getting then tuned by him and experiencing catastrophic failure shortly thereafter but I have more than enough info (datalogs, timeslips, etc) to prove that that is not a representation of our tune and that we are 110% in the clear on what happened to Vince's motor.

There are enough rumors and enough speculation from amateurs and folks that know little to nothing about what Greg and I do for a living to choke an elephant.

The car is Vince's. I will leave it to him to clean up his own mess. In the meantime, don't start instigating things as that makes you no different than the OP.

[RedRyder]

This thread's sole purpose was to stir up shit. whatever happened involves only a few people. You all know damn well if this is any of your business or not. Do not wrecklessly slander someone's business. That's how they put food on their table.

Vince, your car sounded so badass on those rollers. I hope everything works out for you. You don't deserve any more shit.

[Greg@RET]

Here is another thing, even if STS doesnt sell the kit with another wastegate for the drivers side. There should be one... thats not why it blew, just stating that for the next guy to fix.

http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o289/GregRET/New%20RET%20Shop/IMG_20101217_112257.jpg

[Nicksbluestang]

Intereating how on the first pull it dynod at 220? Was it not tuned? Before greg had touched it

[BISKIT]

At least the speculation of "does the kit make good power" can end. Too bad the price was for whatever reason, a blown motor.

[Greg@RET]

Vince, your car sounded so badass on those rollers. I hope everything works out for you. You don't deserve any more shit.

Best post yet! Vince can also tell you I felt so bad for him I was going to take $1k of the labor to do a built motor for him.

[BISKIT]

Intereating how on the first pull it dynod at 220? Was it not tuned? Before greg had touched it

I am wondering the same thing, or maybe Greg just didn't go WOT on it as there is no way with the laws of physics still in place that a car can make a 13.4 pass @ 115 in the quarter weighing 3700lbs that only makes 225 to the wheels.

[5litrarag]

Kevin, please don't get involved in something you know little to nothing about.

I don't know what happened between the car last leaving here and hitting the rollers at Gregs getting then tuned by him and experiencing catastrophic failure shortly thereafter but I have more than enough info (datalogs, timeslips, etc) to prove that that is not a representation of our tune and that we are 110% in the clear on what happened to Vince's motor.

There are enough rumors and enough speculation from amateurs and folks that know little to nothing about what Greg and I do for a living to choke an elephant.

The car is Vince's. I will leave it to him to clean up his own mess. In the meantime, don't start instigating things as that makes you no different than the OP.


Mark you are assuming I havent seen anything other than what is posted here.
And I was just confused by saying it wasnt your deal at all. But prior to it shitting the bed it was a 100% Sinergy effort. But if thats the way you are gonna handle it.... so be it.
I just dont understand it.

Also, please explain how I'm instigating any fucking thing when your boy T76 is the one starting this GD thread knowing the answer to the question he asked. Go fucking tell him....

[Greg@RET]

I am wondering the same thing, or maybe Greg just didn't go WOT on it as there is no way with the laws of physics still in place that a car can make a 13.4 pass @ 115 in the quarter weighing 3700lbs that only makes 225 to the wheels.

Want a datalog of the pull as a screen shot? I have one of it. I could be wrong but he said the car never went that fast? I know the car ran slower then stock at Irwindale, and those dyno numbers are lower then stock. If you look at the graph Vince put up it shows 8# of boost.

If the car never went WOT it wouldn't go in open loop. You can see the a/f was buried in the 10's.

[Nicksbluestang]

Thinking out loud here but shouldnt marks log of vinces last dyno run match the ones of gregs first pull? Maybe if both parties can compare alot can be resolved.

[FORCED-AIR-FASTBACK]

Shit happens

When mine first got done, it dynoed all day making about 12+ pulls, brought it home BARELY got on and it blew.

[BISKIT]

Mark you are assuming I havent seen anything other than what is posted here.
And I was just confused by saying it wasnt your deal at all. But prior to it shitting the bed it was a 100% Sinergy effort. But if thats the way you are gonna handle it.... so be it.
I just dont understand it.

Also, please explain how I'm instigating any fucking thing when your boy T76 is the one starting this GD thread knowing the answer to the question he asked. Go fucking tell him....

It was a 100% Sinergy effort Kevin and last I checked, Vince had a solid, running car that was able to run quite a bit faster with a better/different driver.

He took it to Greg and something happened and now he has a couple of hundred pound paperweight sitting between the shocktowers.

As to what you have seen outside of here, unless you have the motor to look at (as I do) the datalogs from RET and Sinergy side by side, the tune files and the hands on experience with the kit and car, I don't know how that qualifies you to judge the situation any better or even the same.

I have my opinions on the matter that I don't care to share as it is none of anyones business but Vince's as he is the paying customer and I will afford Greg the common professional courtesy to handle the matter privately with his customer (Vince) so far as the same respect is paid in return.

And Sergio isn't "my boy." just as much as you aren't "Greg's boy." I did some work for him, just like Greg did and then Swanson. He owes me no allegience, neither do I.

[BISKIT]

Want a datalog of the pull as a screen shot? I have one of it. I could be wrong but he said the car never went that fast? I know the car ran slower then stock at Irwindale, and those dyno numbers are lower then stock. If you look at the graph Vince put up it shows 8# of boost.

If the car never went WOT it wouldn't go in open loop. You can see the a/f was buried in the 10's.

I already saw the datalog that you provided Vince and have compared it. Like I said, something is royally fishy as neither the timing map, nor many of the other parameters match ours, but again, is this REALLY something that you want to discuss in public for the peanut gallery to comment on?

[5litrarag]

It was a 100% Sinergy effort Kevin and last I checked, Vince had a solid, running car that was able to run quite a bit faster with a better/different driver.

He took it to Greg and something happened and now he has a couple of hundred pound paperweight sitting between the shocktowers.

As to what you have seen outside of here, unless you have the motor to look at (as I do) the datalogs from RET and Sinergy side by side, the tune files and the hands on experience with the kit and car, I don't know how that qualifies you to judge the situation any better or even the same.

I have my opinions on the matter that I don't care to share as it is none of anyones business but Vince's as he is the paying customer and I will afford Greg the common professional courtesy to handle the matter privately with his customer (Vince) so far as the same respect is paid in return.

And Sergio isn't "my boy." just as much as you aren't "Greg's boy." I did some work for him, just like Greg did and then Swanson. He owes me no allegience, neither do I.


Well if thats what ALL is needed nobody other than you will ever be "qualified" to judge the situation. Which I'm not.... I have no vested interest in this. jesus....
You really need to quit looking at this as everyone is a judge moreso than an interested spectator seeing as how up until now so much effort was put into showing how good this kit can work by all parties involved.

And BTW, now that we're all able to look at the graphs, I dont think it makes such great power. Sure it sounds like good power, until you graph it.
For example, It doesnt even cross 300 ft/lbs until 4k rpms and then never goes higher than 320 until like 4500... not very impressive to me. :shrug:

[Greg@RET]

Where is the videos of Vince at Irwindale with the 5 passes? What was the MPH?

[Nicksbluestang]

I already saw the datalog that you provided Vince and have compared it. Like I said, something is royally fishy as neither the timing map, nor many of the other parameters match ours, but again, is this REALLY something that you want to discuss in public for the peanut gallery to comment on?

Are you saying that both logs dony match? Did you leave the xcal locked on unlocked after tuning? If unlocked, why? Either way i dont think vince would be messing with the parameters since im sure that tuning is something he doesnt know or do.

[t76mach]

Vince I feel bad if you need help hit me up, I'll lend a hand free of charge. I never got mad but I did get sad cause it came kind of unexpected when my motor blew lol. So I know exactly what Vince is going through.

[Nicksbluestang]

Where is the videos of Vince at Irwindale with the 5 passes? What was the MPH?

Every irwindale pass vince had was always mid 9's with good 60' times...something a 220rwhp car would have no problem achieving.

[5litrarag]

Where is the videos of Vince at Irwindale with the 5 passes? What was the MPH?

I didnt see his latest passes at Fontucky but Eric said it trapped around 100....and that sounds consistent with 225 rwhp to me.

[Greg@RET]

I didnt see his latest passes at Fontucky but Eric said it trapped around 100....and that sounds consistent with 225 rwhp to me.

Thats what Vince said, 100. I remember now because when he said that I was thinking 100 in the 1/8? He said no lol

[5litrarag]

Thats what Vince said, 100. I remember now because when he said that I was thinking 100 in the 1/8? He said no lol

if it was going 100 in the 1/8 I'd have never gave him ANY shit whether it made the power it was supposed to make or not. hahaha

[BISKIT]

Are you saying that both logs dony match? Did you leave the xcal locked on unlocked after tuning? If unlocked, why? Either way i dont think vince would be messing with the parameters since im sure that tuning is something he doesnt know or do.

Yep. Bingo.

That is exactly what I am saying.

I don't remember if it was locked or unlocked, I will check. I never thought about to be honest as Vince was never supposed to be taking the car elsewhere to tune, and the fear of God was put into him from messing with the parameters. Nor am I accusing Vince with messing with it, although he did increase the boost by 2psi to 10 at Cal speedway without (according to him) a change in the tune.

This all caught me by surprise as Vince did not inform me until after the damage was done that he was going to Greg in the first place.

And again, for the record. Before witnesses (I believe Eric was still there, Kevin had gone home) Bryan ran a 13.4 @ 115MPH with 2psi less than what Greg tuned it with(5psi), on his first and only run with that car. Only variable between that run and the 14-15 second sub 100mph times that Vince was complaining about was the driver.

[t76mach]

if it was going 100 in the 1/8 I'd have never gave him ANY shit whether it made the power it was supposed to make or not. hahaha

I don't get how you can give anybody shit when you have a supercharged 5 liter that has never once posted a dyno video or graph and runs 8.40s

Kind of like if I was to bash gregs bullit, my car is not on that cars level. I do want to run it one day but it will have to be in the lx with the twins the Mach won't touch Greg.

[Silverpoison]

the lx with the twins the Mach won't touch Greg.


the lx wont either....lol:angel:

[5litrarag]

The increased boost would probably matter more if it were lean. But that thing was fat as hell thru the range w/ no timing. And thats just as bad...

[t76mach]

the lx wont either....lol:angel:

Three turbonectics gtk1000s on their way should be here Monday :) I can't give up before trying lol two for the lx one for the Mach :)

[Nicksbluestang]

I don't get how you can give anybody shit when you have a supercharged 5 liter that has never once posted a dyno video or graph and runs 8.40s

Kind of like if I was to bash gregs bullit, my car is not on that cars level. I do want to run it one day but it will have to be in the lx with the twins the Mach won't touch Greg.

You're a joke dude. Apparently your the only thats out of the loop so let me fill you in- kevins driving is up to par wirh jaimes skills. Im positive that if someone else would drive his cqr it would easily be in the 7's with out question. SORRY KEV :laugh:

[5litrarag]

I don't get how you can give anybody shit when you have a supercharged 5 liter that has never once posted a dyno video or graph and runs 8.40s


Oh you wanna get on my shit now too.... hahah yeah ok kid.

Mother fucker you dont know me... so why would you expect me to trot out a sheet just for YOU anyway? hahaha My car has been together now for so long its not even a topic anymore. No need for me to be trying to amke people look at it especially since it aint shit to look at with its faded paint. :laugh:
But yeah anyway, my shit has no dyno sheet.... and I tune it with an Anderson Ford PMS just about every time I take it out to the track or mess around with it in the street.
So far It runs 85 mph on street tires at irwindale and about 108-109 last time at Fontucky, so based on what my other car dynoed, its making about 325 or so at the wheels.

Is it the best way to tune? nope
Is it the cheapest way...yup
Have I popped my motor in over 3 yrs of casually messing with it? nope.
Is that enough for me? yup.


Any more questions?

---------- Post added 12-18-2010 at 06:35 PM ----------

You're a joke dude. Apparently your the only thats out of the loop so let me fill you in- kevins driving is up to par wirh jaimes skills. Im positive that if someone else would drive his cqr it would easily be in the 7's with out question. SORRY KEV :laugh:

I dont know if it'll go 7s, but low 8s for sure.

No problem on the assessment of my skills...I've been proving that to be true for years now. :laugh:

[dmark101]

this thread is a joke. :no:

[06silverbullet]

greg you can say what ever you want about the car.

as far as the mph's they where consitant 99-100mph at fontana at irwindale where i could run consitant 8.8 times idk about the mph i didnt care to keep those slips.

[MartyParty]

Jokes on you Probe Lover!

[RATFINKGT]

Jokes on you Probe Lover!


Probe lover? :look: :fun:

[32VALVR]

[QUOTE=t76mach;107099]I blew my Mach up on the dyno at swansons maybe he also won't post videos cause it went kaboom?

So your saying you scattered your megabuck new engine?
That's the vid. I'd like to see.

[ka0tyk]

Not your rodeo? :confused:
Your customer, your install, your tune (blue graph)..... right?

you'll never get the answers you're looking for. marks mouth is tighter than a 12 year old boys anus when it comes to getting any type of PROOF about anything. vinces cars performance, tune, dyno, rotors, HID lights, etc.


i just really feel bad for vince. i know everyone busts his balls because of the arrogance he's posted in the past about his expectations of his car after getting it modified, and the crap about selling it, etc. i wouldnt wish something like this on ANYONE no matter what shop, what products, what car. i really hope this ends up in your favor when all is said and done. good luck man. it seems like you have a very bumpy road ahead of you.

[t76mach]

[QUOTE=t76mach;107099]I blew my Mach up on the dyno at swansons maybe he also won't post videos cause it went kaboom?

So your saying you scattered your megabuck new engine?
That's the vid. I'd like to see.

I was joking

[YOUNGIN]

i just really feel bad for vince.

Agreed.

[06silverbullet]

you'll never get the answers you're looking for. marks mouth is tighter than a 12 year old boys anus when it comes to getting any type of PROOF about anything. vinces cars performance, tune, dyno, rotors, HID lights, etc.


i just really feel bad for vince. i know everyone busts his balls because of the arrogance he's posted in the past about his expectations of his car after getting it modified, and the crap about selling it, etc. i wouldnt wish something like this on ANYONE no matter what shop, what products, what car. i really hope this ends up in your favor when all is said and done. good luck man. it seems like you have a very bumpy road ahead of you.

mark can speak for himserlf but i think the reason he keeps quiet is cause he knows everything he does gets slandered, kinda like the sts kit...it can make power i had no doubt about that, the way it's made might be a tad strange but 413hp on 7 pounds is quiet impressive greg was quiet surprised which is why he made sure to include the boost levels cause they where sow low for the power it makes.

thanks guys for the thoughts...i hope the car will come back stronger then ever.

[YOUNGIN]

Are you rebuilding? or figured out what your gonna go?

[ka0tyk]

mark can speak for himserlf but i think the reason he keeps quiet is cause he knows everything he does gets slandered, kinda like the sts kit...it can make power i had no doubt about that, the way it's made might be a tad strange but 413hp on 7 pounds is quiet impressive greg was quiet surprised which is why he made sure to include the boost levels cause they where sow low for the power it makes.

i dont think it wouldve got slandered if there was a dyno sheet showing 400hp. thats pretty impressive gain for those low boost numbers. congrats.

[t76mach]

Agreed.

X3

How many miles where on the motor? Mines had 62,000

[kingeaton]

Wait what? So what did Frankie do to get ban? Yes he said stuff but you only ban him because it was to you? This is the second time t76 talks bad about Greg and u haven't said nothing, you let his first thread go on for pages with out closing it, but Frankie talk bad about u and u close it right away and ban him? That's some bs if u tell me, or was it only because it's your forums and was talking bad about you? Don't u need to protect your vendors on this forum? I guess you let people talk bad about you're vendors but when it comes to you u close the tread and ban the person, I best should shut up before I get ban also.
The rules for banning are very clear and although he might be antagonizing he has not done anything that is a bannable offense.

I do not have the authority to ban people at a whim. The membership decides that and Damon or I carry out their will, unless it is a clear cut situation of bannable offense.

I will ask "that guy" and he knows who he is, to back off.

Matters and issues of concern with a shop have a proper way of being handled and poking at someone on a messageboard aint it.

If Sergio or Vince, or whomever has issues with RET or Sinergy or whomever, first contact that shop owner and see if you can resolve your problems. If they tell you to pound sand, then do what you feel is necessary. There has been enough drama around these parts as of late and I don't think there needs to be more.

I would ask though that you not try and throw us (Sinergy) under the bus as this wasn't our rodeo.
You know where to reach me if you want to discuss the matter privately.

[06silverbullet]

i dont think it wouldve got slandered if there was a dyno sheet showing 400hp. thats pretty impressive gain for those low boost numbers. congrats.

well thanks i wish i could have enjoyed more then 40 miles and 3 wot throttle runs with 400+hp


yougin the car is getting a built bottom end unk exactly what is going into as for now... the heads need to be checked to see if they are still usable and the cl manifold will be going on this car permanently :asthanos:

so far gregs shop took out the motor for the most part transmission is out.

marks shop has the car now and he's gonna take a look at it and see what exactly went wrong with the car, all i know is that a rod punched a nice 2" hole in the side of the block.

there was 38k on my motor

[t76mach]

I should become a vender then :/ mark pm what's needed.

I really don't want to cause I don't like the idea of coming to some other business forum and promoting mine even though I am in the OC about 50 miles from mark. Sig is the farthest I go I had contact info and stuff before but felt it was disrespectful to mark so I took it off.

[YOUNGIN]

Good luck man.. hope this doesnt break your bank.. i know you got that kit for a steal but looks like there was more to it..

[06silverbullet]

Good luck man.. hope this doesnt break your bank.. i know you got that kit for a steal but looks like there was more to it..

it has broken the bank and then some. you're telling me with all due respect at this pount i could have bought 2 complete blower systems now with what it is going to cost to build the motor plus prior expenses


i have also been thinking of putting a new 5.0 and ditching the turbo kit. :look:

[t76mach]

I dunno if it will affect you passing emissions with a 5.0 swap but if it does I hope you know someone who can he'll you pass it. I say built motor and up the boost a little :)

Post pictures of carnage :)

[06silverbullet]

I dunno if it will affect you passing emissions with a 5.0 swap but if it does I hope you know someone who can he'll you pass it. I say built motor and up the boost a little :)

Post pictures of carnage :)

it would be easy to pass smog by putting in a new 5.0 vs trying to pass off a tt car.

i will mark says he should have the motor torn down on monday which is the soonest i'd be able to stop by anyways as i still need to go to gregs shop and pick up my h pipe i left behind today.

[t76mach]

it would be easy to pass smog by putting in a new 5.0 vs trying to pass off a tt car.

i will mark says he should have the motor torn down on monday which is the soonest i'd be able to stop by anyways as i still need to go to gregs shop and pick up my h pipe i left behind today.

If it has a carb number it should pass, as long as emissions are good just some smog techs get scared and fail these types of cars. I remember at pep boys a termi came in with a whipple or some after market supercharger dont remember,and the smog tech already said fail I told him no you can't fail it, it has a carb number. Only if it fails emissions. So I told my boss and he confirmed it and told him he had to smog it, it passed..

Now a motor swap you would have to get it refereed and make sure everything is stock that came with the 5.0 plus you would need to get the wiring harness, computer etc etc to make it work $$$

[Boosted16]

...i hope the car will come back stronger then ever.

No doubt it will.

[06silverbullet]

If it has a carb number it should pass, as long as emissions are good just some smog techs get scared and fail these types of cars. I remember at pep boys a termi came in with a whipple or some after market supercharger dont remember,and the smog tech already said fail I told him no you can't fail it, it has a carb number. Only if it fails emissions. So I told my boss and he confirmed it and told him he had to smog it, it passed..

Now a motor swap you would have to get it refereed and make sure everything is stock that came with the 5.0 plus you would need to get the wiring harness, computer etc etc to make it work $$$

well from what i've seen it's about 7k for the 4.6 > 5.0 conversion which includes everything to be able to smog it. vs spending about the same amount on my 3v but would have the ability to go to 700hp range safely.

[BISKIT]

Wait what? So what did Frankie do to get ban? Yes he said stuff but you only ban him because it was to you? This is the second time t76 talks bad about Greg and u haven't said nothing, you let his first thread go on for pages with out closing it, but Frankie talk bad about u and u close it right away and ban him? That's some bs if u tell me, or was it only because it's your forums and was talking bad about you? Don't u need to protect your vendors on this forum? I guess you let people talk bad about you're vendors but when it comes to you u close the tread and ban the person, I best should shut up before I get ban also.

Um... Frankie isn't banned.

Frankie was sent to the hole to cool off for a bit and you really aren't on the boards much if you think Sergio rides Gregs nuts harder than Frankie did mine.

Irony though how he was accusing me of blowing up Vince's motor two months ago.

[ka0tyk]

Um... Frankie isn't banned.

Frankie was sent to the hole to cool off for a bit and you really aren't on the boards much if you think Sergio rides Gregs nuts harder than Frankie did mine.

Irony though how he was accusing me of blowing up Vince's motor two months ago.

i think the difference is frankie was becoming pretty aggressive with his accusations. just like the shaolin guy... theres no need to HUNT someone down. thats just pathetic.

[YOUNGIN]

it has broken the bank and then some. you're telling me with all due respect at this pount i could have bought 2 complete blower systems now with what it is going to cost to build the motor plus prior expenses


i have also been thinking of putting a new 5.0 and ditching the turbo kit. :look:

i never seen a 3v blow up under 500rwhp.. not saying there isnt but from the forums ive been on.. at least youll be able to run it hard and not worry about it.. getting ready to sell my 3v actually.. :angry2:

[06silverbullet]

i never seen a 3v blow up under 500rwhp.. not saying there isnt but from the forums ive been on.. at least youll be able to run it hard and not worry about it.. getting ready to sell my 3v actually.. :angry2:

yeah i've never seen a 3v blow unless it had some crazy ass hp #'s hell a guy i know from the mustang empire has a 493hp 3v using a saleen blower and runs it frequently at the track and it hasn't blown. obviously there was something that caused a problem weather it was a tune from mark or greg or something mechanical failed wont know til the motor comes apart, i'm not gonna point fingers as i honestly don't know what caused the problem yet.

[Greg@RET]

greg you can say what ever you want about the car.

as far as the mph's they where consitant 99-100mph at fontana at irwindale where i could run consitant 8.8 times idk about the mph i didnt care to keep those slips.

Ok, so it was 100mph traps in the 1/4. What does a stock 3v trap, I just don't want anyone to think I did something funny on the baseline pull.

well thanks i wish i could have enjoyed more then 40 miles and 3 wot throttle runs with 400

I know you were ear to ear smile on the 3 test passes on the street. We were all happy for you when you left, the call later that day was a bummer to say the least. I will put a pic of of your intake up later. Two to 3 qts poured out of it.

[06silverbullet]

Ok, so it was 100mph traps in the 1/4. What does a stock 3v trap, I just don't want anyone to think I did something funny on the baseline pull.



I know you were ear to ear smile on the 3 test passes on the street. We were all happy for you when you left, the call later that day was a bummer to say the least. I will put a pic of of your intake up later. Two to 3 qts poured out of it.

like i said i'm not pointing any fingers.

yeah i will admit the car ran well i couldn't believe the way it felt it's to bad the rain came you could have taken the pictures of the 2 block skid mark i left from the 1-2 shift :asthanos:

i know you've been in the buisness of tuning for some time now but is there a possibility that the timing was to advanced? cause that was the first adjustment you made to get the 390hp right? on the second pull

mk i know it wasn't a scavage(sp?) pump issue as if it where to fail not even half that much oil would have made it to the intake manifold as that issue popped up once when the fuse blew out for that pump. there is also a loud alarm that goes off when it faisl as well. i know that was one of your ideas that the oil may have hydrolocked the motor just wanted to rule that one out.

[t76mach]

yeah i've never seen a 3v blow unless it had some crazy ass hp #'s hell a guy i know from the mustang empire has a 493hp 3v using a saleen blower and runs it frequently at the track and it hasn't blown. obviously there was something that caused a problem weather it was a tune from mark or greg or something mechanical failed wont know til the motor comes apart, i'm not gonna point fingers as i honestly don't know what caused the problem yet.
Swanson was telling me he tuned a 3 valve and it's been running strong for a while and it made 490 to he wheels

Now just cause some other guys motor made that power doesn't mean your car will to safely.

My motor lasted months at 468 and only about 1 month at 527 everyone warned me lol I knew it would blow but us racers like the push the limits lol I've been thinking of shooting a 100 shot on top of the t76 just depends what it makes with the turbo. Just for dyno proposes not anything else lol

[Greg@RET]

yeah i've never seen a 3v blow unless it had some crazy ass hp #'s hell a guy i know from the mustang empire has a 493hp 3v using a saleen blower and runs it frequently at the track and it hasn't blown. obviously there was something that caused a problem weather it was a tune from mark or greg or something mechanical failed wont know til the motor comes apart, i'm not gonna point fingers as i honestly don't know what caused the problem yet.

I agree, I have never tuned a 3v that popped so fast. I have a few guys making over 500. After seeing how much oil poured out of the intake I think something else happened.

[06silverbullet]

Swanson was telling me he tuned a 3 valve and it's been running strong for a while and it made 490 to he wheels

Now just cause some other guys motor made that power doesn't mean your car will to safely.

My motor lasted months at 468 and only about 1 month at 527 everyone warned me lol I knew it would blow but us racers like the push the limits lol I've been thinking of shooting a 100 shot on top of the t76 just depends what it makes with the turbo. Just for dyno proposes not anything else lol

right totally agree, i know the safety line is around 450 on these motors even ford warranties a blower(whipple) for damn near those numbers.

100 shot would be cool for low end power.

[Blind]

my buddy's 3v with a hellion turbo kit has blown 2 motors, one of them built, emperorjordan from SB, his car is the red gt on deep bullit's. Not sure of his power numbers but they both went pretty fast.

[06silverbullet]

I agree, I have never tuned a 3v that popped so fast. I have a few guys making over 500. After seeing how much oil poured out of the intake I think something else happened.

well whats you're guess?

i'm 100% sure it wasn't the oil pump from the kit as it was brand new when the kit was installed not to mention it wouldn't dump that much oil into the intake and it would be smoking like a mofo which it wasn't before it popped.

i'm not sure what would cause that much oil to get into the intake manifold.

[t76mach]

So if the scavenge pump failed then the cold side of the turbo should be full of oil. Not just the intake. Guess when someone takes it apart they can tell what really happened.

[Greg@RET]

like i said i'm not pointing any fingers.

yeah i will admit the car ran well i couldn't believe the way it felt it's to bad the rain came you could have taken the pictures of the 2 block skid mark i left from the 1-2 shift :asthanos:

i know you've been in the buisness of tuning for some time now but is there a possibility that the timing was to advanced? cause that was the first adjustment you made to get the 390hp right? on the second pull.

No, I actually run lower timing on Turbo cars compared to blower cars. They don't need timing. Had no pinging at all. If it wasn't mechanical I think the shock of a extra 280 HP at 6k rpms did it.

[06silverbullet]

So if the scavenge pump failed then the cold side of the turbo should be full of oil. Not just the intake. Guess when someone takes it apart they can tell what really happened.

like i said as well as mark can back me up we've driven the car with the pump not operating and we both know as i have witnessed it on my car when a fuse blew what it does. and it wasn't smoking at all which would have been a sign not to mention there is an alarm that goes off when it craps out neither of those things happened.

mark could check it in 2 seconds just by putting some power on it and seeing if it runs.

[Greg@RET]

So if the scavenge pump failed then the cold side of the turbo should be full of oil. Not just the intake. Guess when someone takes it apart they can tell what really happened.

I don't think a pump failed. The boosted pipe has a hose going to crank case.

[06silverbullet]

I don't think a pump failed. The boosted pipe has a hose going to crank case.

right but the same setup is on marks car, and it hasn't caused a issue yet and i doubt 2 pounds would be much different.

[Greg@RET]

right but the same setup is on marks car, and it hasn't caused a issue yet and i doubt 2 pounds would be much different.

Very true, that car had my tune since day one.

[t76mach]

I don't think a pump failed. The boosted pipe has a hose going to crank case.

What do you mean hose to crank case??? Just curious cause my car had something similar and it blew off under boost. A hose from the intake to the valve cover, I sealed the pipe off and put a breather on the valve and no more boost leaks.

[06silverbullet]

What do you mean hose to crank case??? Just curious cause my car had something similar and it blew off under boost. A hose from the intake to the valve cover, I sealed the pipe off and put a breather on the valve and no more boost leaks.

it's a tube that goes from the piping just before the t/b to the valve cover breather on the passanger side.

but even so i don't see how it's an issue if marks car which has the same exactsetup - 2 psi has lasted that long. if it was an issue it would have presented itself a long time ago on marks car.

i found a picture of it but it's pretty crappy.

[BISKIT]

well from what i've seen it's about 7k for the 4.6 > 5.0 conversion which includes everything to be able to smog it. vs spending about the same amount on my 3v but would have the ability to go to 700hp range safely.

Try again.

Engine Assy: 6k
Wiring harness: 1480.00

And that ain't all you'll need not to mention someone to install it.

[06silverbullet]

Try again.

Engine Assy: 6k
Wiring harness: 1480.00

And that ain't all you'll need not to mention someone to install it.

true but car doesnt have to be smogged til 2012 anyways

[5litrarag]

well whats you're guess?

i'm 100% sure it wasn't the oil pump from the kit as it was brand new when the kit was installed not to mention it wouldn't dump that much oil into the intake and it would be smoking like a mofo which it wasn't before it popped.

i'm not sure what would cause that much oil to get into the intake manifold.

I'd say its gonna be something that was damaged by running rich for so long.... running overly fat is bad just like running lean.
if you get a chance grab some of that oil and see about getting it analyzed. Excess fuel dilutes the oil and will kill a motor....

[06silverbullet]

I'd say its gonna be something that was damaged by running rich for so long.... running overly fat is bad just like running lean.
if you get a chance grab some of that oil and see about getting it analyzed. Excess fuel dilutes the oil and will kill a motor....

if thast the case then there will be escess ware and tear on the bearings correct?

[LXS]

I'd say its gonna be something that was damaged by running rich for so long.... running overly fat is bad just like running lean.
if you get a chance grab some of that oil and see about getting it analyzed. Excess fuel dilutes the oil and will kill a motor....

I'm no pro tech, bu doesn't excess fuel usually just get burned off and come out as white smoke out the tails? I can see fuel mixing with the oil due to bad piston rings. Unless that's the difference between NA and boost? Meaning the excessive pressure in the combustion chamber actually forces the fuel down past the rings? :scratch: :whoknows:




Edit: I mean black smoke, burnt oil comes out as white smoke.

[BISKIT]

I don't think a pump failed. The boosted pipe has a hose going to crank case.

I guess you must have forgotten that the STS is designed with a 1psi switch to the elbow pipe off the throttle body. (A wire which btw was cut for whatever reason. I don't know if that was pre or post but kind of lame as all you need to do is remove the rubber boot and remove one screw.)

If that switch is activated (by any condition of increase over atmospheric pressure) then the PCV system shuts down.

IE: It is impossible to pressurize the crankcase. That is one of the STS built in failsafes.

Furthermore, even if that were to not work as advertised, the car would have shot the rear main to the stratosphere by now and there is no sign of ANY wear on the rear crank seal.

Secondly, your theory of hydrolocking makes no sense as this is a detonation resulting in catastrophic failure. Hydrolocking does not cause what is seen here.

Finally, you are looking at a manifold after a catastrophic failure. Who knows what happened post blow. If there was in fact massive amounts of oil in the manifold prior to the failure it would show an inordinate amount of carbon buildup and oil on the intake ports of the heads under the manifold and in the combustion chamber. Neither of which is present.

Finally, a scavenge pump failure is out of the question. Greg has seen first hand with Twisted what happens when that occurs. In that case we should be seeing massive amounts of oil and smoke coming out the tailpipes as the oil will have no way of returning to the motor and the engine will have killed itself of oil starvation.

Unless someone says different, I didn't see a bit of smoke or oil in the dyno vid nor Greg or Vince saying anything about it, so that theory is out.

A lot of speculation here. Howabout we wait till monday to have this motor apart.

[BISKIT]

I'm no pro tech, bu doesn't excess fuel usually just get burned off and come out as white smoke out the tails? I can see fuel mixing with the oil due to bad piston rings. Unless that's the difference between NA and boost? Meaning the excessive pressure in the combustion chamber actually forces the fuel down past the rings? :scratch: :whoknows:

Car never smoked a day in it's life. No puff, no white, no blue. Nothing.

[BISKIT]

I'd say its gonna be something that was damaged by running rich for so long.... running overly fat is bad just like running lean.
if you get a chance grab some of that oil and see about getting it analyzed. Excess fuel dilutes the oil and will kill a motor....

You can dump that theory as I already looked at the cams and popped the oil pan. Oil starvation or lack of lubrication was not the issue.

Not to mention lack of oil or lubrication doesn't just make things go from perfect and silent to kaboom from one second to another. You will have valvetrain noise and or rod noise from bearings letting go. According to Vince he heard nothing out of the ordinary and I would assume that Greg wouldn't tune a car with rod knock or other such issues.

[06silverbullet]

I guess you must have forgotten that the STS is designed with a 1psi switch to the elbow pipe off the throttle body. (A wire which btw was cut for whatever reason. I don't know if that was pre or post but kind of lame as all you need to do is remove the rubber boot and remove one screw.)

If that switch is activated (by any condition of increase over atmospheric pressure) then the PCV system shuts down.

IE: It is impossible to pressurize the crankcase. That is one of the STS built in failsafes.

Furthermore, even if that were to not work as advertised, the car would have shot the rear main to the stratosphere by now and there is no sign of ANY wear on the rear crank seal.

Secondly, your theory of hydrolocking makes no sense as this is a detonation resulting in catastrophic failure. Hydrolocking does not cause what is seen here.

Finally, you are looking at a manifold after a catastrophic failure. Who knows what happened post blow. If there was in fact massive amounts of oil in the manifold prior to the failure it would show an inordinate amount of carbon buildup and oil on the intake ports of the heads under the manifold and in the combustion chamber. Neither of which is present.

Finally, a scavenge pump failure is out of the question. Greg has seen first hand with Twisted what happens when that occurs. In that case we should be seeing massive amounts of oil and smoke coming out the tailpipes as the oil will have no way of returning to the motor and the engine will have killed itself of oil starvation.

Unless someone says different, I didn't see a bit of smoke or oil in the dyno vid nor Greg or Vince saying anything about it, so that theory is out.

A lot of speculation here. Howabout we wait till monday to have this motor apart.

sounds good to me

[BISKIT]

i kinda like the brainstorming in all honesty

I really don't care for it much.

No offense, but if everyone here knew what they were talking about, they would be doing this for a living.

Speculation feeds nothing but wild theories.

Maybe the bogeyman blew your motor, or maybe the moons alignment with Venus had an adverse gravitational reaction.

At the end of the day, you need to practice something Vince that the lack of has created a mess with your name stamped all over it yet again and that would be PATIENCE.

The motor will be out and apart on Monday and again, it is not my prerogative, nor my business to entertain LAMC with what goes on with a customers car. If you want to, so be it. But I am really dead tired and have a headache from all the stupid shit that goes on in threads like this.

[06silverbullet]

I really don't care for it much.

No offense, but if everyone here knew what they were talking about, they would be doing this for a living.

Speculation feeds nothing but wild theories.

Maybe the bogeyman blew your motor, or maybe the moons alignment with Venus had an adverse gravitational reaction.

At the end of the day, you need to practice something Vince that the lack of has created a mess with your name stamped all over it yet again and that would be PATIENCE.

The motor will be out and apart on Monday and again, it is not my prerogative, nor my business to entertain LAMC with what goes on with a customers car. If you want to, so be it. But I am really dead tired and have a headache from all the stupid shit that goes on in threads like this.

fair enough my lips are zipped.

btw your pm box is full and i am unable to respond

[5litrarag]

You can dump that theory as I already looked at the cams and popped the oil pan. Oil starvation or lack of lubrication was not the issue.

Not to mention lack of oil or lubrication doesn't just make things go from perfect and silent to kaboom from one second to another. You will have valvetrain noise and or rod noise from bearings letting go. According to Vince he heard nothing out of the ordinary and I would assume that Greg wouldn't tune a car with rod knock or other such issues.

Wasnt saying it was out of oil or even low.... I'm saying the excess fuel being present would permeate the oil,and dilute it thereby making the oil film thinner. And that may or may not cause any noise....

[Greg@RET]

According to Vince he heard nothing out of the ordinary and I would assume that Greg wouldn't tune a car with rod knock or other such issues.

I asked the same thing, mainly if he heard any pinging or anything. He said no. I think a lot of people here have never seen a 3v rod.

http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o289/GregRET/V6Shelby/rodtoothbrush.jpg

Mark I have never installed a STS kit so I didnt know what that thing was to the PCV. It does look like a hobbs switch so I could understand that closing under boost. I cut the 2 wires myself, its easier to just solder them back together when it goes its. Personally I would run a catch can off each valve cover, just one less thing that could go wrong. My engine builder said the crank bearings will be shot, I am interested to see...

---------- Post added 12-18-2010 at 10:41 PM ----------

BTW heres the intake pic...

http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o289/GregRET/New%20RET%20Shop/IMG_20101217_144540.jpg

[kingeaton]

Crash! Clean the floor! *gregs voice*

[BISKIT]

No doubt, the rods in the 3v are the weakest link and when they go, there is a pretty good chance you won't have a core to give your engine supplier.

I have seen a couple of them in various stages of destruction over the years and it is never pretty. The worst are usually on positive displacement blowers and issues during shifts. The rods look like pretzels. (If there is anything left that is.

As far as the intake, again, I will bet a months pay that happened post detonation as the intake ports and combustion chambers (boroscope) do not show any sign that there would have been that much oil in there. You know as well as I do that ANY blower you go with and in certain cases even NA you will get some oil back in the intake path, but that much is abnormal to say the least.

I just hope to god that if anything flew out the exhaust valves in the way of metal it was caught by the cats, otherwise Vince is going to be rebuilding some turbos as well.

As far as a catch can off both valve covers, I actually did do that on Tony B.'s car (the drift car that I posted in my forum despite JLT telling us it is pointless)
Well lo and behold they were right. 90% of any blowby that was captured was captured by the driver side off the intake and barely any off of the passenger side can.
I have a single can on the driver side on Twisted and after about 3000 miles I pulled it and it barely had anything. I was kind of surprised as I expected more.

[BISKIT]

Crash! Clean the floor! *gregs voice*

I will admit. That is funny.

[BISKIT]

Wasnt saying it was out of oil or even low.... I'm saying the excess fuel being present would permeate the oil,and dilute it thereby making the oil film thinner. And that may or may not cause any noise....

I am not ruling anything out until we have the motor apart and have something conclusive to go on, but of all the theories proposed here yours would still fall in the HIGHLY unlikely.

For fuel to get into the oil that would mean rings would be well on their way out if not gone completely. That would be shown in the exhaust. This car never smoked a day in it's life. Not even a puff. Not to mention that much unburnt fuel would have long killed the cats.

[5litrarag]

I am not ruling anything out until we have the motor apart and have something conclusive to go on, but of all the theories proposed here yours would still fall in the HIGHLY unlikely.

For fuel to get into the oil that would mean rings would be well on their way out if not gone completely. That would be shown in the exhaust. This car never smoked a day in it's life. Not even a puff. Not to mention that much unburnt fuel would have long killed the cats.

Fuel can damage ring seal over extended periods of time.... Excess fuel can kill a brand new motor in short order. These had 38k miles of wear already.
And how do you know the cats AREN'T dead?
All that fuel showing in that baseline pull had to be going someplace.

[BISKIT]

Fuel can damage ring seal over extended periods of time.... Excess fuel can kill a brand new motor in short order. These had 38k miles of wear already.
And how do you know the cats AREN'T dead?
All that fuel showing in that baseline pull had to be going someplace.

Again. Fuel doesn't just disappear Kevin.

Not to mention that bad rings go both ways. If they are bad enough to allow fuel INTO the oil going down, they will also allow oil to enter the combustion chamber causing smoke.

No smoke = rings are most likely fine.

Not to mention there is no way that if the rings were that bad that the motor would hold enough compression (and boost for that matter) to make the numbers it was making as proven by Gregs dynosheets.

But again, speculation till monday.

[t76mach]

Fuel can damage ring seal over extended periods of time.... Excess fuel can kill a brand new motor in short order. These had 38k miles of wear already.
And how do you know the cats AREN'T dead?
All that fuel showing in that baseline pull had to be going someplace.

Air to fuel would have to be in the 11s or lower for cylinder wash down to happen and I don't mean at wot more like drivlng around . I haven't seen the graph of marks tune but that would be something to look for.

Cylinder washdown doesn't equal bent rod, more like worn rings. Dunno how long you would have to run a motor for that happen I've seen cars come into the shop that have been running rich for some time and motor would still be good but I have seen a case or two of it actually damaging the rings

[5litrarag]

Well the assumption of the rings being "most likely fine" is nothing more than speculation also since a leak down hadn't been performed....
So the lack of smoke doesn't ensure that the rings were "most likely fine".

For example, my car.... I'm sure the rings have seen better days and my car doesn't smoke and yet will allow for 7-8 psi.

---------- Post added 12-18-2010 at 11:29 PM ----------

Air to fuel would have to be in the 11s or lower for cylinder wash down to happen and I don't mean at wot more like drivlng around . I haven't seen the graph of marks tune but that would be something to look for.




Did you READ the fucking graph on page one?
Blue AF graph is buried in the 10s.

If you're gonna open a shop you are gonna have to learn to pay better attention to detail. :laugh:

[BISKIT]

Which part of "car could not hold compression let alone boost and make that kind of power on bad rings" is not clear?

Either way, I am out till monday. You all have a nice night.

[WhiteLX]

Can someone please tell me what happened when the motor actually blew? ie, what happened to make you go, oh shit!

How much oil is in the intercooler and boost pipes? It's a blowthough MAF right, how much oil was on the MAF sensor?

I never saw the fabled 13.4@115 run. The fact it was never backed up says to me something fishy was going on. Even the worst driver in the world should be able to pull some good MPH out of a shitty run if the power is there. I have said time and time again that this car is suffering from a timing and fuel issue. I asked to see a datalog several times, but none were given. Why?

Why was Vince under strict orders to not let anyone else tune it? Was there something there you didn't want another tuner seeing?

There was something wrong with the tune the entire time. I'm sorry, there was. This car has run so bad for so long, there is no other explanation. Vince said you guys have made a number of street runs trying to tune it. If you guys are just tuning WOT, why was it taking so long to get a tune even someone close? Hell, I've started completely from scratch and gotten it to run good in less than a day. I'm not even a great tuner.

I wouldn't be surprised to see the cats melted. With the timing so incredibly retarded and running so rich, those suckers along with the manifolds had to be glowing after a WOT pass.

I'm still in awe that thing only has one wastegate on one cylinder bank.


BTW, those talking shit about Kevin's car, don't make me come up there and show you what it will really run. :D

[RedRyder]

LAMC detectives on the case. :look:

[t76mach]

Well the assumption of the rings being "most likely fine" is nothing more than speculation also since a leak down hadn't been performed....
So the lack of smoke doesn't ensure that the rings were "most likely fine".

For example, my car.... I'm sure the rings have seen better days and my car doesn't smoke and yet will allow for 7-8 psi.

---------- Post added 12-18-2010 at 11:29 PM ----------





Did you READ the fucking graph on page one?
Blue AF graph is buried in the 10s.

If you're gonna open a shop you are gonna have to learn to pay better attention to detail. :laugh:

So you are telling me to pay more attention when in that post I put " I didn't see the graph with marks tune on it"

Sorry I dont need to pay more attention looks like you do...

I never saw it through all the bs posts lol

And whitelx are you serious? Show who? Lol

Forum is full of speculations with all of us not looking at the car, besides mark and Greg

[WhiteLX]

So you are telling me to pay more attention when in that post I put " I didn't see the graph with marks tune on it"

Sorry I dont need to pay more attention looks like you do...

I never saw it through all the bs posts lol

And whitelx are you serious? Show who? Lol

Forum is full of speculations with all of us not looking at the car, besides mark and Greg
STFU you GD tool

[t76mach]

Thats all you can pretty much say, cause show somebody something won't ever happen, his car would get spanked even on a break in tune lol

[WhiteLX]

what are you talking about getting spanked? Are you that dense? I mean, I knew you were an idiot already, but really, this takes it to a new level.

Take your pepboys fake mechanic self back into your hole. You aren't beating anyone driving your wife's car around. You can talk all you want about how you're building some bad ass car, when you aren't even building it. Yet the one thing you even had that was remotely fast, you blew up and continued driving it like a complete moron. Really, who the fuck does that shit? Maybe you should take some of that money you are spending to make your car faster and better, and buy a reliable piece of transportation and use the rest go to SAM or some other tech school where you can really learn what it's like to be a real performance mechanic/fabricator/machinist/tuner because it seems like you want to make that your profession. You're gonna need it, because at the rate you're going, you're shop will never make it off the ground.

I'm not going to explain what i meant by my statement. You're gonna have to figure that out on your own. Everyone else here knows what I meant because they know Kevin and they know me. But I shouldn't expect anything different from some that says I need to work on my launch.

and with that, i will enjoy the scilence that is you no longer showing up on my screen....

good day

[5litrarag]

Thats all you can pretty much say, cause show somebody something won't ever happen, his car would get spanked even on a break in tune lol

...assuming the car were running right now.

In that case I'd have no problem racing you for your girl's bus fare. Anything more than that is out of my league. Better go hit up one of these other "real" racers around here for that kind of action. :laugh:

[kingeaton]

Damn!!!!! Well said!!!
what are you talking about getting spanked? Are you that dense? I mean, I knew you were an idiot already, but really, this takes it to a new level.

Take your pepboys fake mechanic self back into your hole. You aren't beating anyone driving your wife's car around. You can talk all you want about how you're building some bad ass car, when you aren't even building it. Yet the one thing you even had that was remotely fast, you blew up and continued driving it like a complete moron. Really, who the fuck does that shit? Maybe you should take some of that money you are spending to make your car faster and better, and buy a reliable piece of transportation and use the rest go to SAM or some other tech school where you can really learn what it's like to be a real performance mechanic/fabricator/machinist/tuner because it seems like you want to make that your profession. You're gonna need it, because at the rate you're going, you're shop will never make it off the ground.

I'm not going to explain what i meant by my statement. You're gonna have to figure that out on your own. Everyone else here knows what I meant because they know Kevin and they know me. But I shouldn't expect anything different from some that says I need to work on my launch.

and with that, i will enjoy the scilence that is you no longer showing up on my screen....

good day

[YOUNGIN]

call me an idiot but i think kev meant 10's on gregs log..

[t76mach]

Hmmmm so your calling me an idiot for moving my car from one side of the street to the other?

Without knowing my plans? Whatever the car needed in parts Mark replaced. Turbo would of gone out? I don't care a new one is coming on Monday nothing happened to the old one but if it would have I didn't care.

The hate/jealousy is strong here :) lol

[grouchy01]

if i had a bad motor i would of just pushed it

[Nicksbluestang]

WhiteLX is winning this thread so far.

[t76mach]

if i had a bad motor i would of just pushed it

By yourself? Lol this stangs are heavy.

That's pretty much all whitelx can win. On the net...

[kingeaton]

Will see what's in store for monday when the motor is is taken apart.

[t76mach]

The truth won't ever come out lol

[kingeaton]

Will see.

[RedRyder]

Wow. Just wow.

[t76mach]

I doubt it loo

[RedRyder]

Dang. I need to post pics of my 401k and bank account so I can keep up with the ballers around here. :look:

[LXS]

Dang. I need to post pics of my 401k and bank account so I can keep up with the ballers around here. :look:


Just cause it's called a "401K" doesn't mean that's how much you have! :ugh: :no:





:look:

[grouchy01]

im negative 401k on my account

[t76mach]

Just cause it's called a "401K" doesn't mean that's how much you have! :ugh: :no:





:look:

Lol!!


What's a 401k then :backpedal:

[kingeaton]

The truth won't ever come out lol

I'm sure their will be a hell of a story behind it, biskit is going to wright a book out of it as most of his post are mini books to read lol

[5litrarag]

Hopefully with pics and datalogs... thats the way to do it.

[1EVLPNY]

I feel for Vince and the fact that it blew that quick is surprising. If he was pushing 500+ on a stock motor understandable, but he was making the same numbers I do which shouldn't have been a problem.

Vince, be patient and save up your money for your new motor. I know you want to get the car back and running asap, but be patient and the end result will be good.

And T76, I sure hope your Bugatti Veyron killer Mach 1 will live up to all the hype that you're saying and not just on the streets (street racing is FTL and dangerous imo) but on the track as well. If it doesn't may God help you because you are not gonna hear the end of it.

[grouchy01]

:look:YouTube - Title

[kingeaton]

:look:YouTube - Title (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEwwsMyhRCs&feature=youtube_gdata_player)

Jjajajaj lmmfao!!!!

[RedRyder]

lol, you're wrong for that oscar. :rofl:

[grouchy01]

:look:
YouTube - t76

[Daddy's GT500]

maybe the moons alignment with Venus had an adverse gravitational reaction.

:popcorn2:

[t76mach]

:look:
YouTube - t76 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Er0FH9Im0HY&feature=youtube_gdata_player)

Lol!

You made me sad :( I miss the atmosphere at pep boys and my friends :( we used to mess around allot when it was slow, but man being on flat rate and with no work allot of the time I didn't make enough $$

I dunno if I ever posted it but I had got that job at the wharehlise and man was it not my thing and a week later got a call from a shop and got hired. I for lucky found two jobs that each paid more then the last.

Btw here's a video of a guy from pep boys that showed up drunk and started singing away hahahah


YouTube - Pep boys

[t76mach]

A video of one of my other friends messing around in his car.

YouTube - Pepboys stunt gecko

[dmark101]

By yourself? Lol this stangs are heavy.

That's pretty much all whitelx can win. On the net...
are you for real? i mean, srsly? all i hear is :tard: and :freak:

[B C]

Subscribing. Entertaining thread.
There can be 100 reasons why that motor popped. It sounds like it has been running bad for some time and a lot of people have been tinkering with it trying to fix it. It could be a combination of many things.
But like Whitelx said no matter how bad a driver you are you would still be seeing a much higher mph than 99-100. Since it has been running bad for some time and I bet it was hurt in the process. If you all of a sudden retune it to where it is making the power it is supposed to, that extra power could have been too much for the hurt motor to take.
Maybe we will find out more when the motor is apart. But I predict there will be many more theories from all of us internet mechanics and tuners.
Bottom line is it is broken. It happens. I feel bad for the guy. It has happened to me. Learn from it, rebuild it, make it better and move on.

[Greg@RET]

We can all see the a/f when I tuned it, here is a datalog from the run. Vince you were asking about timing, 17.5*

http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o289/GregRET/New%20RET%20Shop/RETlog.jpg

http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o289/GregRET/STS.jpg

[RATFINKGT]

YouTube - Accord 6MT 1/4 mile 14.04 @99.71

Traps 99mph at 14seconds 1/4mile :look:

[FORCED-AIR-FASTBACK]

it has broken the bank and then some. you're telling me with all due respect at this pount i could have bought 2 complete blower systems now with what it is going to cost to build the motor plus prior expenses


Thats about how it usually works out.I hav more in my turbo stroker then most have in their whole car.I coulve easily went with a winsdor stroker, but oh well. If your looking for a cheap hobby,get into scrapbooking.I have no regrets.............yet.

But honestly Vince, how did the car feel for you?I can laugh about mine now.I have spent enough in head gaskets to build 2 motors :D

[Ogbatman]

it has broken the bank and then some. you're telling me with all due respect at this pount i could have bought 2 complete blower systems now with what it is going to cost to build the motor plus prior expenses


i have also been thinking of putting a new 5.0 and ditching the turbo kit. :look:

Lets not talking about breaking the bank. My car broke with a built motor. :laugh:

Welcome to the modding world. Hope you enjoy the stay.

But just to let u know. U had to many hands on the car. U should have stuck wit Mark and told him what u really wanted before heading over to Gregs. Cuz since greg didnt do the work from the start he went n blind with someone elses install and tune. Now what is has done is put 2 shops in the dark on what really went wrong and what is at fault. So ur situation just got way more complicated.

[t76mach]

Lets not talking about breaking the bank. My car broke with a built motor. :laugh:

Welcome to the modding world. Hope you enjoy the stay.

But just to let u know. U had to many hands on the car. U should have stuck wit Mark and told him what u really wanted before heading over to Gregs. Cuz since greg didnt do the work from the start he went n blind with someone elses install and tune. Now what is has done is put 2 shops in the dark on what really went wrong and what is at fault. So ur situation just got way more complicated.
Well said!!

Is your car black bullit at marks shop?

From what I am hearing Vince is gonna have something very nice built. I can't wait to see the outcome, it will take time. That's if he wants it done right lol

[LXS]

Is your car black bullit at marks shop?


Why you gotta be racist y0?!












:look:

[Greg@RET]

The guy drove around on 224 hp for four months, I would say that is enough patience. All I did was tune the car, nothing else was touched. Vince didn't do anything wrong here.

[YOUNGIN]

Damn.. 4months.. that is a bit of a patience game.. esp in this battlefield called LAMC.. shit gets brutal when you get caught slippin lol.. well hopefully you guys can tell right away when the motor is apart..

[Nicksbluestang]

224hp huh. Makes you wonder of a lot.
So after the install it was never tuned but rather untuned? This clearly explaibs why no numbers where ever posted every time someone asked about it.

The smartest move to have done was to have greg tune it out of the bag instead of having someone with no tuning experiance(specially with turbos) try tuning it. Imo.

[vrt03cobra]

Wait what? So what did Frankie do to get ban? Yes he said stuff but you only ban him because it was to you? This is the second time t76 talks bad about Greg and u haven't said nothing, you let his first thread go on for pages with out closing it, but Frankie talk bad about u and u close it right away and ban him? That's some bs if u tell me, or was it only because it's your forums and was talking bad about you? Don't u need to protect your vendors on this forum? I guess you let people talk bad about you're vendors but when it comes to you u close the tread and ban the person, I best should shut up before I get ban also.

That's exactly what I'm saying ....

Um... Frankie isn't banned.

Frankie was sent to the hole to cool off for a bit and you really aren't on the boards much if you think Sergio rides Gregs nuts harder than Frankie did mine.

Irony though how he was accusing me of blowing up Vince's motor two months ago.

Has/When will Frankie be allowed to come back? Been a long time if you ask me....

well thanks i wish i could have enjoyed more then 40 miles and 3 wot throttle runs with 400+hp


yougin the car is getting a built bottom end unk exactly what is going into as for now... the heads need to be checked to see if they are still usable and the cl manifold will be going on this car permanently :asthanos:

so far gregs shop took out the motor for the most part transmission is out.

marks shop has the car now and he's gonna take a look at it and see what exactly went wrong with the car, all i know is that a rod punched a nice 2" hole in the side of the block.

there was 38k on my motor

So it blew up just like Frankie said it had :aaron: lol

[ka0tyk]

224hp huh. Makes you wonder of a lot.
So after the install it was never tuned but rather untuned? This clearly explaibs why no numbers where ever posted every time someone asked about it.

The smartest move to have done was to have greg tune it out of the bag instead of having someone with no tuning experiance(specially with turbos) try tuning it. Imo.

the smartest move wouldve just been to have greg do it in the first place. dude posts up some great builds with great numbers for all to see. no secrets, no games, no "push the gas pedal more" bullshit. just pack up your losses being someones guinea pig and move on to someone else with experience and FACTS. 200hp lmao what a joke.

[Silverpoison]

YouTube - Accord 6MT 1/4 mile 14.04 @99.71 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5k8zJ040Zw&feature=youtube_gdata_player)

Traps 99mph at 14seconds 1/4mile :look:

How much power does this car make? One thing I can say about Greg is he has post up all info and datalogs. Everything looks safe to me, sometimes stuff happens. If it was a built motor I would be more concerned, fact is its a stock motor.

[ka0tyk]

How much power does this car make?

-
Power: 182 kW , 244 HP SAE @ 6,250 rpm; 211 ft lb , 286 Nm @ 5,000 rpm

dude in that vid said he has some exhaust and a CAI.


either way 100mph in the 1/4 isnt what a 400hp car should do.

[Silverpoison]

-
Power: 182 kW , 244 HP SAE @ 6,250 rpm; 211 ft lb , 286 Nm @ 5,000 rpm

dude in that vid said he has some exhaust and a CAI.


either way 100mph in the 1/4 isnt what a 400hp car should do.

I agree, what does a stock s197 trap?

[ka0tyk]

I agree, what does a stock s197 trap?

100mph for a stock gt. most are like 104... 106...

[YOUNGIN]

ahh. gotcha..

[ka0tyk]

100hp?

mph. oops! sorry im watching some xmas special. Rudolph just got sold to a butcher.

[grouchy01]

this is almost what happened to vince

he got on it and boom :look:
YouTube - Go ! Bwaaah !

[LXS]

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:




Fuckin Oscar's on a roll!! :rofl:

[grouchy01]

also found a video of mason and sheldon YouTube - Big Booty Bitches!! (Original) + MP3 Download

[LXS]

:laugh:

[grouchy01]

YouTube - Ninja Shit! Asian Man Crashes Bike & Lands On Feet! this bastard is a lucky mofo. :ninja:

[LXS]

Sheldon looks good with no sleeves! :nod:



:look:

[grouchy01]

that dude lands on his feet

[kingeaton]

Maybe that's why four months ago they thought the Dynojet was broke jajajaj it said 224 HP and said oh that's not right. Lets see what the track says. 100 MPH in the 1/4 mi. There trap speed doesn't read right jajajaja

[LXS]

Maybe that's why four months ago they thought the Dynojet was broke jajajaj it said 224 HP and said oh that's not right. Lets see what the track says. 100 MPH in the 1/4 mi. There trap speed doesn't read right jajajaja


You could be on to something there! I heard that show "Chop Cut Rebuild" took two cars out to Fontucky during this month's street legals. Both cars ran somewhere around the 15s, yet when the boards lit up, they were 9 sec cars!! :rofl:

[RedRyder]

LOL @ all the people who don't know shit
:rofl:

[kingeaton]

LOL @ all the people who don't know shit
:rofl:

I know 100 MPH in the 1/4 means something wrong jajaja

[5litrarag]

I know 100 MPH in the 1/4 means something wrong jajaja

x10

[BondoSHO]

The true story will be told after the motor is torn down. So, why don't we just all shut up until then, ok? :D.

[06silverbullet]

The true story will be told after the motor is torn down. So, why don't we just all shut up until then, ok? :D.

i agree

[blackstang06]

Interesting, this thread is interesting

[Nicksbluestang]

The true story will be told after the motor is torn down. So, why don't we just all shut up until then, ok? :D.

Speculate...its what we do best

[kingeaton]

Come on you guys act like it will be some suprise the motor will tell you jajaja you will say it was the tune with some multi paragragh why. There is printouts of the air fuel datalog and no pinging from what Vince said. I was shown the datalog from the baseline pull lets see that jajajaja

[BondoSHO]

Come on you guys act like it will be some suprise the motor will tell you jajaja you will say it was the tune with some multi paragragh why. There is printouts of the air fuel datalog and no pinging from what Vince said. I was shown the datalog from the baseline pull lets see that jajajaja

Tuner's shouldn't take the customer's word that nothing is wrong. Everything should be checked out before it even goes on the rollers. Just my opinion.

[ka0tyk]

Tuner's shouldn't take the customer's word that nothing is wrong. Everything should be checked out before it even goes on the rollers. Just my opinion.

yes because the tuner has access to engine internals. sure buddy.

[kingeaton]

Check out what Vince said the car didn't run correctly and was trapping what a stock car traps. Put it on the Dynojet made a wopping 224 HP that matches the power needed to run 100 MPH greg looked at the datalog and told Vince exactly what it was. Greg put a tune in and it made 413. Motor popped later that day. I was there when Vince left after doing some flybys he had a huge grin and said it felt like another car. Does anyone here see anything wrong with greg a/f or running 17.5 timing. Your right you guys know more then him jajajajajaja go to SCT website in the dealers search and search 90241 with a 100 mile search. Is anyone else certified from SCT on there jajajaja

[06silverbullet]

Check out what Vince said the car didn't run correctly and was trapping what a stock car traps. Put it on the Dynojet made a wopping 224 HP that matches the power needed to run 100 MPH greg looked at the datalog and told Vince exactly what it was. Greg put a tune in and it made 413. Motor popped later that day. I was there when Vince left after doing some flybys he had a huge grin and said it felt like another car. Does anyone here see anything wrong with greg a/f or running 17.5 timing. Your right you guys know more then him jajajajajaja go to SCT website in the dealers search and search 90241 with a 100 mile search. Is anyone else certified from SCT on there jajajaja

did we shake hands?

[blackGTny]

what the fuck is jajajaja

[06silverbullet]

what the fuck is jajajaja

is spanish the j is pronounced like an h like jota or pendejo

[grouchy01]

joto lol

[06silverbullet]

joto lol

i thought it was a good example lol

[Silverpoison]

Lol I think that's the paisa way of lol or hahaha.

[06silverbullet]

Lol I think that's the paisa way of lol or hahaha.

indeed

[Silverpoison]

i thought it was a good example lol

Exactly.

I just did that sct search with the 100 miles and never knew that. I have seen that certificate in the office many times obviously.

[LXS]

As interesting as this has gotten, I think the thread has run it's course. Let's just let the dust settle and patiently wait to see how the new build turns out. If Vince or any other parties associated with Vince care to share about the details of the current motor, then let them post the info up.