new toys

[06silverbullet]

well here's a short build thread kinda...

anyways to start off what i had installed before this work:
1.) pypes mid muffler cat back
2.) frpp shorty headers
3.) hurst billet plus shifter

what is going to be installed:
1.) comp cams xfi stage 2 spr cams (127500's)
2.) comp cam phasers
3.) comp cam beehive springs
4.) comp cam retainers
5.) c&l intake manifold
6.) jlt cai + predator tuner kit
7.) under drive pullyes
8.) bbk 62mm throttle body
9.) ford racing 4.10 gear kit
10.) che k member support with torque limiters upgrade
11.) big maybe on this one but a plate nitrous system already have one picked out. just is a question of money and waiting to see what the car is like n/a

and now for the pics of what i have installed, unfortunately the comp cam stuff has yet to arrive or the che k member brace and torque limiter

day 1 of installing crap: jlt cai with tune installed friday....

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs088.ash2/37729_447302621778_774676778_5967271_2075601_n.jpg


day 2 of installing crap: bbk 62mm throttle body saturday....

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs224.snc4/38515_447684931778_774676778_5978620_5956958_n.jpg

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs118.ash2/39229_447717221778_774676778_5979651_5434867_n.jpg

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs237.snc4/39182_447717226778_774676778_5979652_2525_n.jpg

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs114.ash2/39048_447717216778_774676778_5979650_5395524_n.jpg

day 3 of installing crap: c&l intake manifold 8/3 today....

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs233.snc4/38968_448765351778_774676778_6011920_4707603_n.jpg

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs214.snc4/39054_448826986778_774676778_6013849_6205191_n.jpg

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs249.snc4/39781_448826991778_774676778_6013850_2065559_n.jpg

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs234.snc4/39054_448826996778_774676778_6013851_5312504_n.jpg

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs234.snc4/39054_448827006778_774676778_6013853_3035743_n.jpg

[BondoSHO]

I wanna see some street racing to prove real world speed improvements. Start from 80 and go to 300.

:lol2:

Looks good Vince :cheers:

[06silverbullet]

I wanna see some street racing to prove real world speed improvements. Start from 80 and go to 300.

:lol2:

Looks good Vince :cheers:

i'm not gonna lie as soon as i put each part on it i took it and tested the real world settings. car felt great now it doesn't run so hot due to getting rid of the charge motion plates and not tuning for it. but the t/b jlt with the tune was amazing.

[grumps91GT]

Congrats on teh mods.

Lets see those dyno #'s when everything goes on

[06silverbullet]

Congrats on teh mods.

Lets see those dyno #'s when everything goes on

well adam will be doing a dyno tune so i could probably convince him to do a few pulls maybe.

[RedRyder]

Getting busy I see. See you on the 19th.

[06silverbullet]

Getting busy I see. See you on the 19th.

car should be done by then hopefully, it really just depends on when i get the parts to get it tuned and what adam's schedule is like. i talked to him already it's just more the fact of i don't want to take a spot in his schedule and say oops can't do it no parts and have him sitting there not making monies.

but we'll see he said he's got some opening this coming week so hopefully by then it'll be done.

[Blind]

looking at the t/b's I would personally just port the stocker, tons of room for improvement with the stock size throttle blades.

[06silverbullet]

looking at the t/b's I would personally just port the stocker, tons of room for improvement with the stock size throttle blades.

the bbk throttle body was dirt cheap. plus it's shiny

[LXS]

LOL @ shiny :laugh:


Looks and sounds good Vince! :cheers: When it's all said and done, it'll be time to go overpriced YeeTee hunting! :evillaugh/smiley: :steve: :gears: :look: :D

[06silverbullet]

LOL @ shiny :laugh:


Looks and sounds good Vince! :cheers: When it's all said and done, it'll be time to go overpriced YeeTee hunting! :evillaugh/smiley: :steve: :gears: :look: :D

you should see the frrp it's even shinnier lol. but thanks, its coming together hopefully by friday she will be complete and tearing ricers a new fart can hole.

[BISKIT]

CMDP's and BBK TB?

Oh boy....

[06silverbullet]

CMDP's and BBK TB?

Oh boy....

you know people talk shit on the bbk t/b but how many of those people have actually bought and used em? i have driven the car and it seems to work perfectly with out any problems.

as for cmdp noooo mark the c&l intake manifold gets ride of them.

[BISKIT]

you know people talk shit on the bbk t/b but how many of those people have actually bought and used em? i have driven the car and it seems to work perfectly with out any problems.

as for cmdp noooo mark the c&l intake manifold gets ride of them.

I know it does....

As far as the BBK T/B, I just hope to god they fixed the issues as I remember 3 different occasions of cars getting towed into my shop for falling into failsafe mode due to those throttle bodies.

Either way, I hope to god those long runners make up for the fact that you just axed half of the reason your car makes any low end tq.

[BISKIT]

Either way, didn't mean to piss in your cheerios, just saying what most folks are thinking, if you had the blower money, why'd you go bolt on?

[RedRyder]

I think vince is going with nitrous now. My BBK TB experience is with pushrods only. They stick open.

[06silverbullet]

I think vince is going with nitrous now. My BBK TB experience is with pushrods only. They stick open.

if mine does that oh well it wouldnt be a huge loss anyways, the frpp one was just abit pricey at 500ish bucks were as i got the bbk for 200 but it also didnt come with a new motor and what not.

[RedRyder]

Well, how does it feel? Does it rev easier now? Do you feel like you lost a little on the lowend? Have you raised your shiftpoints any?

[Killer95Stang]

If you haven't bought the beehives yet, take a look at the ones sold by Trickflow and compare the spring numbers / heights to match up against Comp Cams offerings. A little birdie told me that Summit Racing repackages the compcams springs and sells them under their Trickflow brand for 30% less...

Do your research and save some money... same goes for he phasers...

[RedRyder]

http://www.deviantart.com/download/152048595/Set_Phasers_to_Stun_by_colourful_emo.jpg

[06silverbullet]

If you haven't bought the beehives yet, take a look at the ones sold by Trickflow and compare the spring numbers / heights to match up against Comp Cams offerings. A little birdie told me that Summit Racing repackages the compcams springs and sells them under their Trickflow brand for 30% less...

Do your research and save some money... same goes for he phasers...

already bought them should be coming anyday now. all the parts listed i have paid for already. i didnt know that about the springs i did check out summit racing. i've bought some stuff for my tbird off there.

Well, how does it feel? Does it rev easier now? Do you feel like you lost a little on the lowend? Have you raised your shiftpoints any?

car felt great until i installed the intake manifold...due to it removing the charge motion plates it jacked up the throttle response quite a bit. probably should have been more patient and waited closer to when i could get it tuned...but i was bored and had to tear into my car. nothing low end is compromised if anything it feels great down low and through the mid to the top end.

ren i have a mans transmission a manual with a clutch.

if push comes to shove for like 50 bucks i can get an email tune made up.

[32VALVR]

Either way, didn't mean to piss in your cheerios, just saying what most folks are thinking, if you had the blower money, why'd you go bolt on?

I think vince is going with nitrous now. My BBK TB experience is with pushrods only. They stick open.
Whats the deal Vince, are you going N20?

[t76mach]

How much is adam charging you for a dyno tune? I think someone told me he charges around $300. swanson charges 150 per hour and muscle motors about the same and greg has a flat rate (I think most cars) At the end of the day though its who can make the car put out the most without blowing it up :) greg is pretty good at that :D

[Killer281Saleen]

i'm not gonna lie as soon as i put each part on it i took it and tested the real world settings. car felt great now it doesn't run so hot due to getting rid of the charge motion plates and not tuning for it. but the t/b jlt with the tune was amazing.

Don't you bash anyone that street races or test their cars on the streets? You did the same.. You should have waited to test it out in the track, so you whoulnt risk anyone/your self in getting in a accident.


My point is, before you bash people on doing what you just did then think about it before you do it..

Some guy that used to post here name Henry, used to bash me for street racing and talk shit to me ever day about street racing. You know what killed him? Freeway racing, same shit as street racing, Sucks eh...

[Enorbit3]

never any problems here with a BBK TB on a mod motor 2v.

keep it up vince. nice parts list there.

[5litrarag]

Shoulda bought the blower.... :no:

[ka0tyk]

Shoulda bought the blower.... :no:

but he's getting 30rwhp with these mods. its gonna be an ANIMAL! :asthanos:

[Shaolin Crane]

but he's getting 30rwhp with these mods. its gonna be an ANIMAL! :asthanos:

:laughing:

[Ogbatman]

Shoulda bought the blower.... :no:

I agree wit this man. I got one for less than what he paid on mods and made 10x more power..:laugh:

[RATFINKGT]

:no: blower!! I wpuld have done mods similar if i owned a fox

[BISKIT]

Comparing the BBK t/b from pre-05 is somewhat retarded as other than them being an oval/round opening and a butterfly valve that is about where the similarities end.

The 05+ has no cable linkage. It is all electronic and the motor that BBK has with theirs is/was notorious for sticking which tripped out the all too sensitive spanish oak computer.

When it comes to throttle bodies, accufab or go home.

[Shaolin Crane]

Comparing the BBK t/b from pre-05 is somewhat retarded as other than them being an oval/round opening and a butterfly valve that is about where the similarities end.

The 05+ has no cable linkage. It is all electronic and the motor that BBK has with theirs is/was notorious for sticking which tripped out the all too sensitive spanish oak computer.

When it comes to throttle bodies, accufab or go home.

Erik's dad David was having issues with his.

[BISKIT]

Erik's dad David was having issues with his.

As were many others. In fact the prototype accufab units were having the same issues. The difference being that accufab pulled what few units were out there and went back to the drawing board. No issues since.

[blackstang06]

So you spend 2k+ in mods to get 30-40 hp ? Should of just saved up for a blower :whoknows:

[BISKIT]

So you spend 2k+ in mods to get 30-40 hp ? Should of just saved up for a blower :whoknows:

He actually already had blower money in his pocket...

Remember, as much as Vince wishes it were the case, Adam ain't installing those cams for bj's.

Either way, it is your car Vince, and I hope you are satisfied with the result. It is just (obviously) confusing to most of us.

[t76mach]

on3 has a turbo kit for his car for 1,899.... works with stock k member to.. All he would of needed was a tune,better v clamps,injectors,bap,maf.... Power well it would of been a little more then 40 over what he had :)

[blackstang06]

I was looking at the reviews on that c&l intake manifold, the gains on a stock car is between 10-13 hp. Not many gains especially since it's $800. :freak:

[Ogbatman]

Sounds like too much money for 30hp..:whoknows:

[blackstang06]

on3 has a turbo kit for his car for 1,899.... works with stock k member to.. All he would of needed was a tune,better v clamps,injectors,bap,maf.... Power well it would of been a little more then 40 over what he had :)

I know what I'm doing with my tax return money :gears:

[Blind]

Comparing the BBK t/b from pre-05 is somewhat retarded as other than them being an oval/round opening and a butterfly valve that is about where the similarities end.

The 05+ has no cable linkage. It is all electronic and the motor that BBK has with theirs is/was notorious for sticking which tripped out the all too sensitive spanish oak computer.

When it comes to throttle bodies, accufab or go home.

comparing it may be silly, but the problem sounds identical so I wonder if the solution would be identical?

my 65mm edelbrock/bbk t/b I had on my `89 would stick at idle and was a super PITA to drive, but I noticed it was butter smooth with the engine off. I drilled a 1/16" hole in the throttle plate and the problem completely went away and it felt like a stock t/b.


just food for thought, the machining was too tight and it was creating a vacuum seal with the plates shut at idle...obviously not something easy to feel in a throttle by wire setup, but if the throttle response is even shittier than stock off idle...well there you go, that's what I'd try.

[RedRyder]

Accufab is definately FTW. I heard the holley ones for the pushrod were supposed to be pretty good as well.

Vince will be going with a nitrous setup according to him. Boltons plus nitrous should be pretty sweet. Vince, we need confirmation here. What nitrous brand will you be going with hmmm...? Do tell, do tell.

[Enorbit3]

he already picked up a nitrous kit from jeremy. i think its NOS brand.

[96GTS]

Although I don't like the 3V, I still gotta give vince props for actually doing these mods. I don't get how a shitty 5.0 owner can drop a cam and intake in and get hi fives and chest bumps from people on here and they're not even close to STOCK 3V power. All vince gets is "should've got a blower". Although I think vince,s douchebagness contributes to the lack of props, he should get a little credit for actually doing mods.


That said, I'm still gonna hand him his ass at the track:asswave:

[Blind]

Although I don't like the 3V, I still gotta give vince props for actually doing these mods. I don't get how a shitty 5.0 owner can drop a cam and intake in and get hi fives and chest bumps from people on here and they're not even close to STOCK 3V power. All vince gets is "should've got a blower". Although I think vince,s douchebagness contributes to the lack of props, he should get a little credit for actually doing mods.


That said, I'm still gonna hand him his ass at the track:asswave:
a intake and cam swap on a pushrod costs $300 typically so...that's not blower money.

[blackstang06]

Although I don't like the 3V, I still gotta give vince props for actually doing these mods. I don't get how a shitty 5.0 owner can drop a cam and intake in and get hi fives and chest bumps from people on here and they're not even close to STOCK 3V power. All vince gets is "should've got a blower". Although I think vince,s douchebagness contributes to the lack of props, he should get a little credit for actually doing mods.


That said, I'm still gonna hand him his ass at the track:asswave:

A cam and intake on a 5.0 is nowhere near the cost of a blower :whoknows: it's his money, I just don't understand why someone would spend $800 on a intake manifold to get 10-15 extra hp. :whoknows:

[96GTS]

a intake and cam swap on a pushrod costs $300 typically so...that's not blower money.
$300 for new parts?

Maybe he decided not to drop all his savings this instant on car parts. Maybe he decided to invest in losing his V card lol. Once he gets some, he'll be like "Irwin-what??" :laugh:

---------- Post added 08-04-2010 at 04:25 PM ----------

A cam and intake on a 5.0 is nowhere near the cost of a blower :whoknows: it's his money, I just don't understand why someone would spend $800 on a intake manifold to get 10-15 extra hp. :whoknows:

We all frivolously spend too much money on our cars for little to no gain....

[Martini]

ooooor maybe he got a free nitrous kit on a trade and decided to go on the juice rather than the blower. those mods alone aren't going to gain much but for the work up for 100 shot.

i'm giving kudos to baby bird for this one.

[Blind]

$300 for new parts?

Maybe he decided not to drop all his savings this instant on car parts. Maybe he decided to invest in losing his V card lol. Once he gets some, he'll be like "Irwin-what??" :laugh:

---------- Post added 08-04-2010 at 04:25 PM ----------



We all frivolously spend too much money on our cars for little to no gain....
performer 5.0 intake is $267 new from summit, a e303 cam is $180 new from 50resto.

I don't know of anybody that's bought either of those new personally, hah.

[BISKIT]

comparing it may be silly, but the problem sounds identical so I wonder if the solution would be identical?

my 65mm edelbrock/bbk t/b I had on my `89 would stick at idle and was a super PITA to drive, but I noticed it was butter smooth with the engine off. I drilled a 1/16" hole in the throttle plate and the problem completely went away and it felt like a stock t/b.


just food for thought, the machining was too tight and it was creating a vacuum seal with the plates shut at idle...obviously not something easy to feel in a throttle by wire setup, but if the throttle response is even shittier than stock off idle...well there you go, that's what I'd try.

Fair enough.

My "fix" for them was to tell the customer to get rid of that POS TB.
In most cases (fortunately) I could warn them ahead of time and they wouldn't spend the money on it but for almost the same price, get the accufab.

[BISKIT]

well here's a short build thread kinda...

anyways to start off what i had installed before this work:
1.) pypes mid muffler cat back
2.) frpp shorty headers
3.) hurst billet plus shifter

what is going to be installed:
1.) comp cams xfi stage 2 spr cams (127500's) 659.99
2.) comp cam phasers 189.99
3.) comp cam beehive springs 299.99
4.) comp cam retainers 79.99
5.) c&l intake manifold 800.00
6.) jlt cai + predator tuner kit 555.00
7.) under drive pullyes 210.00
8.) bbk 62mm throttle body 320.00
9.) ford racing 4.10 gear kit 250.00
10.) che k member support with torque limiters upgrade
11.) big maybe on this one but a plate nitrous system already have one picked out. just is a question of money and waiting to see what the car is like n/a

Just on what is listed not including the K member support and plate system nor install and tune on cams (Vince correct me if I am wrong) he is at 3364.96

Add in another 1000.00 (conservatively) for cam install and tune and that is most definately blower territory.

Jus sayin.

[RedRyder]

Well, at least he got his hands dirty. :cheers:

[BISKIT]

Well, at least he got his hands dirty. :cheers:

Very true.

Of that I can say I am proud of Vince that he did 95% of the install himself and without the proper tools, I would say no one should attempt a cam job on a mod motor. It is not for the feint of heart.

[1EVLPNY]

I hope you'll be happy with all the mods, because with that money you should have gotten a blower which would have been tons of fun (I know from experience :evil:)

As for the T/B, Accufab FTW. Hey Mark, are the Accufab T/B's single blade for the 05+ like they are for the 96-98 Cobras?

[grumps91GT]

Well, at least he got his hands dirty. :cheers:

He could have just gotten laid instead, but eh......to each his own. :shrug:

If I had that money, I would have blown it all on weed, liquor and hookers. :nod:



:look:

[Shaolin Crane]

He could have just gotten laid instead, but eh......to each his own. :shrug:

If I had that money, I would have blown it all on weed, liquor and hookers. :nod:



:look:

No coke?

[06silverbullet]

Although I don't like the 3V, I still gotta give vince props for actually doing these mods. I don't get how a shitty 5.0 owner can drop a cam and intake in and get hi fives and chest bumps from people on here and they're not even close to STOCK 3V power. All vince gets is "should've got a blower". Although I think vince,s douchebagness contributes to the lack of props, he should get a little credit for actually doing mods.


That said, I'm still gonna hand him his ass at the track:asswave:

thanks...and we'll see who leaves who in the dust.


as far as everyone saying "ZOMG you could have gotten a blower"

i wanted to do something a little different, everyone buys a blower and calls it a day. i decided to go n/a for now, eventually i will get a centri blower and change out the cams to the stage 2 blower spr cams. but for now i've seen several people with less mods in the 11's with minimal weight shaving. plus i wouldn't want a blower unless i got a forged block which will be coming in the far away future. right now i know i'll be plenty happy with these mods hell i was with just the throttle body and jlt with a tune. but the near future will be nitrous with the mod list i have right now. when i decide to get a blower i can still use the nitrous and just bump it down for a more intake cooling system system then main power adder.


mark i got the bbk for 1/3 off and the manifold 100 bucks cheaper then that. the jlt + tuner was also only 500 bucks as well.

[lsxfox]

11's? you think 30-40 hp will knock 2 sec off your et's?

[Blind]

gonna need to lose a shitload of weight, lots of suspenion mods and some sticky tires with a rev limiter launch to do that.

my brother ran 11.95 @ 114mph in his `93 notch, with 317rwhp (h/c/i n/a stock 302 bottom end) and that was with a 1.59 60'...

[06silverbullet]

gonna need to lose a shitload of weight, lots of suspenion mods and some sticky tires with a rev limiter launch to do that.

my brother ran 11.95 @ 114mph in his `93 notch, with 317rwhp (h/c/i n/a stock 302 bottom end) and that was with a 1.59 60'...

not really, some guys pulled 11's with i believe the sound deadening removed from the trunk and rear seat delete light weight driver/passanger seats.

11's? you think 30-40 hp will knock 2 sec off your et's?

it's been done. i will need suspenion tire and lca's then i'll def easily be high 11's. from what i've seen on the forums.

[lsxfox]

lol! its been done by pro drivers on the east coast on a track going down hill. 40 hp will get you bottom 13's

[06silverbullet]

lol! its been done by pro drivers on the east coast on a track going down hill. 40 hp will get you bottom 13's

uh no, try average jos smoe the shit rag. on stock bottom end stock heads stock cam with just full boltons suspension and tire. it will be more then 40hp

[Blind]

best of luck, might as well do underdrive pulley's too.

[06silverbullet]

best of luck, might as well do underdrive pulley's too.

already got em sitting in my room.

[lsxfox]

what did it run at California speed way?

[06silverbullet]

what did it run at California speed way?

my car?

fastest so far is 14.0xx on stock susp, geforce tires, just headers catback, not tuned.

i run much better at the dale.

[lsxfox]

my car?

fastest so far is 14.0xx on stock susp, geforce tires, just headers catback, not tuned.

i run much better at the dale.

mph?

[06silverbullet]

idk i'd have to dig through my pile of slips. i'm usually at 99-100mph

i just get absolutely no traction so i spin all the time.

[Killer95Stang]

idk i'd have to dig through my pile of slips. i'm usually at 99-100mph

i just get absolutely no traction so i spin all the time.

Spinning tires effects more of your ET than it does your MPH... You have a long way to go!!

http://home.comcast.net/~rwdouglas1/guess1320.jpg

[lsxfox]

Spinning tires affects more of your ET than it does your MPH... You have a long way to go!!

yup, 95-100 mph aint chit man.

[Blind]

idk i'd have to dig through my pile of slips. i'm usually at 99-100mph

i just get absolutely no traction so i spin all the time.
so you need to pick up about 20mph to hit your goal.

[Enorbit3]

not happening on a NA 3v unless its on the ragged edge. stage 3 cams, stage 3 heads, full exhaust, gears, tuned, etc.

good luck tho vince.

[Killer95Stang]

so you need to pick up about 20mph to hit your goal.

That's easy...

1. Pull gauge cluster out
2. Pull needle off speedometer
3. Rotate needle about 10 degrees clockwise
4. Put needle back on
5. Put gauge cluster back into the dash

Done...

[06silverbullet]

ok people since you all think the 3v is some whack pos motor here's a huuuge list of n/a t/c s/c n20 powered times with some specs

look specifically at #8 on the n/a portion of the list stock cams, stock heads, 281 cid so tell me now that the car is incapable of running 11's with the power it has. all it will need is suspension and tire.

from the s197forum.com - http://www.s197forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5218

http://www.2005stang.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10330/S197TIMESLIPS072510.jpg

[Enorbit3]

just cuz someone did it once on the internet doesnt mean you are going to see the same results.

just saying.

[Blind]

11.998 @ 113mph with a 1.628 60', that car probably weighs 2700lbs.

[Killer95Stang]

I think Vince is missing the point of what everyone is saying in this thread... so I'll clear it up... We aren't saying that someone on the east coast in a 2700# car, driving down a mindshaft, powershifting each gear didn't do it. We are saying that you won't do it ... :D

[06silverbullet]

11.998 @ 113mph with a 1.628 60', that car probably weighs 2700lbs.

no try 3300

look at matt d is newest fastest time was 11.9xx 3300 pound car.

like i said you people think the 3v is a pos it's really not, you talk about the 5.0 pushrod like they are made of pure platinum, but oh a stock motor making 300/300 is junk. you say mod motors suck yet you are all drooling over the new 5.0 4v just cause it has the 5.0 name.

[lsxfox]

put the magazines down and look at the cars on our local tracks.

[06silverbullet]

put the magazines down and look at the cars on our local tracks.

i would except everyone runs a blower so i could care less what they run very few people ran n/a it seems anymore.

so i resort to the internet to see what mods and what times people are pulling. and from what i've seen the only thing stopping me after these mods will be tires and suspension from getting into easily the low 12's high 11's. i dont even have a subscription to mm&ff nor do i really care what they say about what parts make numbers wise.

anyways to get back on track. i was planning to hit the dale today i might just go to watch as with the c&l manifold installed it removes the charge motion plates and the car doesn't really run as it should throttle response is garbage right now and if i don't feather the clutch just right it bucks down low and is a pita to get going from a dead stop. my che k member brace/tq limiters should be coming tomorrow will be excited to get that installed. hopefully the cams get here today or tomorrow so that way i can confimr a date with adam to get the car tuned and what not.

[Enorbit3]

no try 3300

look at matt d is newest fastest time was 11.9xx 3300 pound car.

like i said you people think the 3v is a pos it's really not, you talk about the 5.0 pushrod like they are made of pure platinum, but oh a stock motor making 300/300 is junk. you say mod motors suck yet you are all drooling over the new 5.0 4v just cause it has the 5.0 name.

mod motors arent junk. at least not the 4v's. :nod:

[blackstang06]

Omg I saw it on the Internet so i know it can be done :no: you forgetting one last thing, those guys can drive the shit out of there cars, you not soo much. You posted a vid of you missing shifts, granny shifting not double clutching like you suppose to :freak:






:look:

[06silverbullet]

Omg I saw it on the Internet so i know it can be done :no: you forgetting one last thing, those guys can drive the shit out of there cars, you not soo much. You posted a vid of you missing shifts, granny shifting not double clutching like you suppose to :freak:






:look:

first off if that was the 1/4 mile that was my first day ever racing.

[RedRyder]

no try 3300

look at matt d is newest fastest time was 11.9xx 3300 pound car.

like i said you people think the 3v is a pos it's really not, you talk about the 5.0 pushrod like they are made of pure platinum, but oh a stock motor making 300/300 is junk. you say mod motors suck yet you are all drooling over the new 5.0 4v just cause it has the 5.0 name.

The 3V is definately not junk, but don't go bitching about how everyone thinks the pushrod is so great. The 5.0 has a racing pedigree that the 3V will never, ever be able to match or surpass. Ford knew exactly what they were doing when they put the 5.0 badges on the fenders of the new stang. :rockon:

[06silverbullet]

The 3V is definately not junk, but don't go bitching about how everyone thinks the pushrod is so great. The 5.0 has a racing pedigree that the 3V will never, ever be able to match or surpass. Ford knew exactly what they were doing when they put the 5.0 badges on the fenders of the new stang. :rockon:

the 3v can put way more power through the stock block so i don't see how the 5.0 is more capable. at least the 3v can put 800hp+ through the stock block and not rip in half.

[blackstang06]

3V FTW !!!!!! :rockon:

[06silverbullet]

Don't you bash anyone that street races or test their cars on the streets? You did the same.. You should have waited to test it out in the track, so you whoulnt risk anyone/your self in getting in a accident.


My point is, before you bash people on doing what you just did then think about it before you do it..

Some guy that used to post here name Henry, used to bash me for street racing and talk shit to me ever day about street racing. You know what killed him? Freeway racing, same shit as street racing, Sucks eh...

sorry didnt see this post...first off i didnt go above 10mph above the speed limit perfectly safe for the road conditions. second off street racing is stupid and there is no way you can make me think differently about it. you can do you're little freeway runs and what not adn you can take the chance of ending like henry did in a field. now before everyone jumps on my ass for being inconsiderate i feel bad for the guy and i know the whole story of why he wrecked.

[32VALVR]

While I hate to be a "killjoy", Vince the only way you're going to see low twelves or elevens with listed mods is with n20. One must remember, at the end of the day its still only 281CI.

[5litrarag]

So now you're building a drag car?

because thats the only way you are getting that thing into the low 12s N/A.
Note what the fastest cars on that list have... Suspension, cams, BIG tire and lots of gear (I'd be willing to bet with a spool too). And the gear is what is gonna keep it from being very streetable.
Not to mention I'd bet not one of those cars in the top 20 are anywhere closer than someplace in texas. and even that is a huge maybe.

[BISKIT]

All right.

Let's clear up a couple of things.

1, Being different.

I remember when I first started with the Angel as I wanted to be "different".
Back then it was all about pushrods or 2/4v motors.
Well I did a boatload of research on what all could be done with the 3.8 Essex motor and from that research I deduced many conclusions.

I could definately build a monster motor powered by twins and all and make 600+ hp and run low 10's, high 9's as Matt Neuharth back east already paved the way.

But in the end the accident was somewhat of a wakeup call as I finally came to realize it is great to be different but at the end of the day, the real world comes into play and in that real world, being different usually makes it so you will spend a lot more money and a lot more headache trying to get to numbers that are much easier when you go down a beaten path.

Hence : Twisted and the twins.

2, Trying to chase numbers posted on websites and magazines might seem tempting but you really don't know squat about the car, the driver and how many botched attempts and broken parts led to that one glorious pass.
I know of a certain 3v that hit over 600 on the dyno and then scattered it's guts on the very first pass at the track.


Since it is a done deal, I am not going to waste my time or yours telling you again that a blower would have made more sense but at the end of the day, it sounds great to list the mods and tell people what you have but when they run the numbers and you are coming up short with the same amount invested, you will have to grow a lot tougher skin coat to withstand the criticism you will get.

As far as running 11's with your setup, you will basically need a perfect storm of power, tires, suspension, weather, humidity, track prep and most importantly overall, driver skill.

I hope you can do it, but you might want to drop the bar a bit for the time being just so you don't become disappointed.
I think running a mid 12 would be far more reasonable until you get your driver mod up to par.

Just some friendly advice. You can take it or leave it.

[06silverbullet]

ok....enough already. can we move on from the you'll never do this.... thank you.

forget i ever set a goal for my car...fuck

[BISKIT]

the 3v can put way more power through the stock block so i don't see how the 5.0 is more capable. at least the 3v can put 800hp+ through the stock block and not rip in half.

The 5.0 IS more capable.

You have so many things going for it for which the 3v was basically a very small stepping stone.

- Larger displacement
- Better block design (we can go into details if you wish)
- DOHC with independent valve timing
- Independant piston oiling and other provisions to resist detonation
- Higher compression ratio
- etc.

For guys like me, it is great as this means I will have a lot more customers beating down my door with 2, 3 and older 4v cars looking for the edge to keep up, but at the end of the day, the 5.0 represents the pinnacle of engineering on Ford's part based off of all they have learned and all the mistakes they have made in the past with the modular motors.

Numbers don't lie Vince, and with the mods you are putting on your car and some suspension, tire and driver mod the 5.0's are in the 10's and with a little more dragged out and with a small shot, in the 9's.

Jus sayin.

[blackstang06]

Vince, Butt hurt much :whoknows:

[BISKIT]

ok....enough already. can we move on from the you'll never do this.... thank you.

forget i ever set a goal for my car...fuck

Vince, no one wants to piss in your cheerios, but you are fortunate enough to be surrounded by a large group of folks that have built cars, raced cars and have a combined knowledge of decades of seeing cars run and what they can and can not do.

Instead of getting upset about it, tap into that knowledge and take some advice to heart.

Or don't and do it your way but don't be surprised and butt hurt when people say "I told you so."

[06silverbullet]

i get the point, im sorry i wanted to build a n/a car for something that is still very streetable, won't reduce engine lifespan greatly. the main reason i did what i did is not necessarily make the most power or be the fastest car but do want i wanted on the money i had. i simply just wanted something fun at the track and on the street. i didn't go blower because frankly i didn't want to. i could care less if i'll make a 100hp less. i rather have spent the money i did which was still much less then what it would cost to get a blower setup i would be satisfied with. for now this will be plenty fast and fun.

i understand most of you here are to make the biggest possible number out of your car. i've come to realize that's not what my goal is. later yes i will get a centri blower but before i do that i will get suspension and the rims and rubber i want. i'll save up get a forged block have it put together and tuned. with the parts i bought except for the cai u/d pulleys and possibly cams would be the only things i would resell. everything else i would have wanted to buy anyways to get the most power out of the blower so i really don't see this as being a total waste of money as some of you say.

so basically i know i will be happy with how i spent my money and the reasons behind it. weather you all agree or not. with that being said can we all stop the if you had bought this you would have gotten more power and better numbers. is that so hard to ask of you?

i'm not upset i'm annoyed.

and mark i was refering to the 5.0 pushrod ...

[t76mach]

I say we leave him alone :)

Then will wait for results, we all have different goals so we can't force what we want onto him.

[BISKIT]

I say we leave him alone :)

Then will wait for results, we all have different goals so we can't force what we want onto him.

Agreed.

[BISKIT]

and mark i was refering to the 5.0 pushrod ...

Gotcha.

But even you will agree that 3500 spent on a pushrod 5.0 is basically an 11 second car...

[06silverbullet]

Gotcha.

But even you will agree that 3500 spent on a pushrod 5.0 is basically an 11 second car...

i totally agree they are an amazing budget build engine. for what they are they are great but they are far from perfect. the only thing that turns me off those motors is simply the fact once you reach 450rwhp it's tapped out and if you want anything more out of it you're looking at a very expensive block. to be honest looking back at buying my car i think i would have been just as happy with a 95 5.0 and be able to do so much more with it as i wouldn't have a rather large car payment. at the same token it wouldn't be smart to trade/sell at this point as the car has lost quite a bit of it's value.

I say we leave him alone :)

Then will wait for results, we all have different goals so we can't force what we want onto him.


thank you, that's all i ask. you went with a turbo and not very many here have. it wouldn't be right for all the guys that have a s/c to tell you you're build is a waste of money cause they chose to go a different route.

[BISKIT]

i totally agree they are an amazing budget build engine. for what they are they are great but they are far from perfect. the only thing that turns me off those motors is simply the fact once you reach 450rwhp it's tapped out and if you want anything more out of it you're looking at a very expensive block. to be honest looking back at buying my car i think i would have been just as happy with a 95 5.0 and be able to do so much more with it as i wouldn't have a rather large car payment. at the same token it wouldn't be smart to trade/sell at this point as the car has lost quite a bit of it's value.




thank you, that's all i ask. you went with a turbo and not very many here have. it wouldn't be right for all the guys that have a s/c to tell you you're build is a waste of money cause they chose to go a different route.

You haven't read many of Kevin's posts over the years, have you.... :look:

[06silverbullet]

You haven't read many of Kevin's posts over the years, have you.... :look:

no i have, obviously a majority of the people here do though prefer s/c over t/c cause why else would they spend the money if that didnt want it.

[Martini]

no i have, obviously a majority of the people here do though prefer s/c over t/c cause why else would they spend the money if that didnt want it.

because turbo is not a weekend build. S/C kits (for the most part) are pretty much bolt on kits. hell mark can prolly put in the full edelbrock kit in a day now. t/c are not going to be set up running correctly in a day.

[RATFINKGT]

lol! its been done by pro drivers on the east coast on a track going down hill. 40 hp will get you bottom 13's

:no: i got minimal bolt ons and i ran a 8.28 i think that better or atleast 13 flat

[BISKIT]

because turbo is not a weekend build. S/C kits (for the most part) are pretty much bolt on kits. hell mark can prolly put in the full edelbrock kit in a day now. t/c are not going to be set up running correctly in a day.

Well there are a couple of the turbo kits that once you have done one, the second one is pretty easy, but yeah, I hear what you are saying.

Gimme any roots/twin screw or centi kit and I can probably have it turnkey by the end of the day.

[96GTS]

Only mistake I think you're making is setting the bar too high. Your goal should be 12.99 n/a. If you blow past that right to low 12s, congrats. But at least you won't be pissed that you didn't run an 11 your first time out. And to mimic others, our tracks here suck. If a guy w your mods squeaked into the 11s w an 11.95 at E-Town, you will never get that here. Period. You're looking at a 12.5 car out here. I don't think you realize just how good the tracks/weather is back there.

[06silverbullet]

Only mistake I think you're making is setting the bar too high. Your goal should be 12.99 n/a. If you blow past that right to low 12s, congrats. But at least you won't be pissed that you didn't run an 11 your first time out. And to mimic others, our tracks here suck. If a guy w your mods squeaked into the 11s w an 11.95 at E-Town, you will never get that here. Period. You're looking at a 12.5 car out here. I don't think you realize just how good the tracks/weather is back there.

that's porbably true. but i'll still be very happy with a 12.5 n/a

[5litrarag]

that's porbably true. but i'll still be very happy with a 12.5 n/a

And keep in mind Lobsta will still eat your lunch because he's about 2 tenths away from a mid - low 12 now....

---------- Post added 08-05-2010 at 02:29 PM ----------

You haven't read many of Kevin's posts over the years, have you.... :look:

:steve:

[06silverbullet]

And keep in mind Lobsta will still eat your lunch because he's about 2 tenths away from a mid - low 12 now....

---------- Post added 08-05-2010 at 02:29 PM ----------



:steve:

And keep in mind Lobsta will still eat your lunch because he's about 2 tenths away from a mid - low 12 now....

---------- Post added 08-05-2010 at 02:29 PM ----------



:steve:

we should just change your user name to harbringer

[RedRyder]

BTW, vince, dart sells an aftermarket block in the 1600 dollar range now that can be taken out to 363 ci. and hold 800+ hp. That's a steal in my book. FRPP's BOSS block is also in that price range. The pushrod may not be perfect, but no internal combustion engine is. The aftermarket has made huge improvements in the Ford 302/351 blocks.

[06silverbullet]

i'm bummed my valvetrain isn't here yet wtf...comp cams takes for ever to ship shit out jesus.

[RedRyder]

comp cams is the best though. It will be worth the wait. My whole valvetrain is from comp cams and I couldn't be happier. In fact, i have their catalog right now at my desk. what part number are your cams?

[06silverbullet]

they are the 127500's yeah i went all comp cam stuff as well. they said it should be here with in 7-10 days it's the 10th day today so im sure it'll be here tomorrow which has me excited :woot:

[Blind]

BTW, vince, dart sells an aftermarket block in the 1600 dollar range now that can be taken out to 363 ci. and hold 800+ hp. That's a steal in my book. FRPP's BOSS block is also in that price range. The pushrod may not be perfect, but no internal combustion engine is. The aftermarket has made huge improvements in the Ford 302/351 blocks.
you can get a ford BOSS with a fully forged 302 rotating assembly for $1800 assembled right now, basically a drop in short block.


not a bad deal...


the reason people in CA avoid turbo kits is smog, plain and simple, if I didn't have to smog my `89 I would have a hellion kit on it right now instead of a procharger.

[RedRyder]

LOL, CARB can kiss my ass.
BTW, there is a twin incon turbo kit on CL right now for 3k. Smog legal turbo power.

[06silverbullet]

i'm kinda curious to see if in 2012 if it will pass or not with the current mod list,visually i know it wont, but more curious of the tail pipe results.

[BISKIT]

i'm kinda curious to see if in 2012 if it will pass or not with the current mod list,visually i know it wont, but more curious of the tail pipe results.

I'd say save your pennies for the hookup as the C&L, BBK TB, JLT will each count as a fail.

Not to mention the headers.

[RedRyder]

hookups are ftw. So I've heard. :look:

[Shaolin Crane]

no try 3300

look at matt d is newest fastest time was 11.9xx 3300 pound car.

like i said you people think the 3v is a pos it's really not, you talk about the 5.0 pushrod like they are made of pure platinum, but oh a stock motor making 300/300 is junk. you say mod motors suck yet you are all drooling over the new 5.0 4v just cause it has the 5.0 name.
Ti VCT motors arent modulars just so you know. but they are DOHC

[06silverbullet]

hookups are ftw. So I've heard. :look:

lol indeed :look:

I'd say save your pennies for the hookup as the C&L, BBK TB, JLT will each count as a fail.

Not to mention the headers.

meh i think they'll let the headers pass they say ford on them :look:

idc if they won't pass visually its more tail pipe results like i said. anyone can look at the car and say it'll pass actual exhaust fumes are what i'm more worried about.

[RedRyder]

FYI, they do visual before even hooking you up to the sniffer.

[Ogbatman]

If u hit high 11's in 1/4 then my bullitt wit dubs should b in mid 10's.

[1EVLPNY]

i totally agree they are an amazing budget build engine. for what they are they are great but they are far from perfect. the only thing that turns me off those motors is simply the fact once you reach 450rwhp it's tapped out and if you want anything more out of it you're looking at a very expensive block. to be honest looking back at buying my car i think i would have been just as happy with a 95 5.0 and be able to do so much more with it as i wouldn't have a rather large car payment. at the same token it wouldn't be smart to trade/sell at this point as the car has lost quite a bit of it's value.

You need to do a little more research, Dart blocks (iron ones) are pretty cheap compared to a mod block.

http://www.mustangdepot.com/OnLineCatalog/Engine/block.htm

[1EVLPNY]

FYI, they do visual before even hooking you up to the sniffer.

:nod: Before they even start the car they pop the hood and do a visual inspection. If you don't have a carb # or carb documentation on any after market part, you will fail smog. CA is the smog nazi state.

[grumps91GT]

If u hit high 11's in 1/4 then my bullitt wit dubs should b in mid 10's.

So that means that Jaime runs high 8's in the 1/4 too


:look:

[Shaolin Crane]

You need to do a little more research, Dart blocks (iron ones) are pretty cheap compared to a mod block.

http://www.mustangdepot.com/OnLineCatalog/Engine/block.htm

Yep, got mine for 1100 shipped, pre machined :angel:

[06silverbullet]

You need to do a little more research, Dart blocks (iron ones) are pretty cheap compared to a mod block.

http://www.mustangdepot.com/OnLineCatalog/Engine/block.htm

yeah and that's an iron block, you can find teksid blocks easily around the 400 range.

[5litrarag]

we should just change your user name to harbringer

Perhaps... but you're the one who was tossing the "slowparts" name around and SURE that you were gonna be running faster than him.

[Blind]

yeah and that's an iron block, you can find teksid blocks easily around the 400 range.
a dart block and a teksid block are in -completely- different leagues.

[RedRyder]

yeah and that's an iron block, you can find teksid blocks easily around the 400 range.


Pssst. Hey, Vince. We have aluminum blocks too. You can take this puppy out to 427 ci. and have it weigh as much as a stock 302.

http://www.theengineshop.com/products/man-ofootwar-9500inch-deck-aluminum-block.html

[5litrarag]

a dart block and a teksid block are in -completely- different leagues.

x10

[lsxfox]

Pssst. Hey, Vince. We have aluminum blocks too. You can take this puppy out to 427 ci. and have it weigh as much as a stock 302.

http://www.theengineshop.com/products/man-ofootwar-9500inch-deck-aluminum-block.html

LMAO! look at the $$$$$$ local shops must love you ren...........

[5litrarag]

And here comes Ren with the 20k dollar "street car" motor to compare. :laugh:

[lsxfox]

And here comes Ren with the 20k dollar "street car" motor to compare. :laugh:

:D "it was a kinked fuel line i tell you!"

[Enorbit3]

bwahahahah. this is gettin interesting.

[Martini]

someone say dart!?

71 dodge dart 340 swinger FTMFW!!!!

[lsxfox]

someone say dart!?

71 dodge dart 340 swinger FTMFW!!!!

lol!

[Killer281Saleen]

Go away with your historic crap..

[Martini]

you all are mean


:kicksrocks:

[dmark101]

whores :no:

[Killer281Saleen]

whores :no:

:wave:

[RedRyder]

LMAO! look at the $$$$$$ local shops must love you ren...........

What can i say? I'm ballin'. I can put an aluminum block stroker together for way under 20k. Especially since the heads I have now flow enough to support a lil under 400 ci. street combos.
Oh, and I only get machining and shortblocks assembled. Everything else is done with my own blood, sweat, and tears. Mostly blood.

Pictures of all the stuff I've owned forthcoming...

[lsxfox]

What can i say? I'm ballin'.
Oh, and I only get machining and shortblocks assembled. Everything else is done with my own blood, sweat, and tears. Mostly blood.

Pictures of all the stuff I've owned forthcoming...

ballin, i see you took up a new hobby after that 14 second pass in your "built" mustang. thats cool, this car stuff aint for everyone.....

[RedRyder]

Heh, you're too much of a noob to bring up my ONE 14 second pass my first time ever racing the 1/4 mile. I had tuning issues. You know, kinda like your foxpedition is having.

[lsxfox]

Heh, you're too much of a noob to bring up my ONE 14 second pass my first time ever racing the 1/4 mile. I had tuning issues. You know, kinda like your foxpedition is having.

no issues. Drilled the t body and we are set. Your car ran one 14 sec pass cuz you took off early, if not god knows how many 14 sec+ passes it would of had.......:angel:

---------- Post added 08-06-2010 at 02:43 PM ----------

Heh, you're too much of a noob to bring up my ONE 14 second pass my first time ever racing the 1/4 mile. I had tuning issues. You know, kinda like your foxpedition is having.


remind me who is the noob?

[dmark101]

i'm pretty sure he's referring to the lone trip down in the crimson slut.

[Enorbit3]

i never raced the 1/4. only irwindale about 10 times. :sad:

[RedRyder]

Noob to the boards. I don't know you. The only person that's met you is enorbit after you did all your woofing and didn't want to back any of it up. I'm going to be at the Dale on the 19th. Maybe you can come up and introduce yourself.

[lsxfox]

Noob to the boards. I don't know you. The only person that's met you is enorbit after you did all your woofing and didn't want to back any of it up. I'm going to be at the Dale on the 19th. Maybe you can come up and introduce yourself.

ill be working, maybe you can go to Tuesday nights sonic meets

[diddy Liquor]

sounds like to fox's need to set a date show up and run .... and the looser is just that :D

[lsxfox]

Noob to the boards. I don't know you. The only person that's met you is enorbit after you did all your woofing and didn't want to back any of it up. I'm going to be at the Dale on the 19th. Maybe you can come up and introduce yourself.


i showed up to the track and pulled a 13.6 at 106.. you where home by then

[RedRyder]

ill be working, maybe you can go to Tuesday nights sonic meets

I work nights and really can't race at sonic meets.

[diddy Liquor]

I work nights and really can't race at sonic meets.

well if its important to you , I will give you the night off from the corner but ur gonna have to make it up:D

[Enorbit3]

aww come on guys, dont stop now. i only got 1.5 hours more of work and this keeps me entertained.

EDIT: im gonna break all you suckas off with a STOCK 4V.

bow to your master












































:look:

[ka0tyk]

feel free to give me a call when one or both of your foxes break down. i can tow you home in my 5.4. :asswave:

[RedRyder]

feel free to give me a call when one or both of your foxes break down. i can tow you home in my 5.4. :asswave:

August 19th, keep your schedule open. Imma try and drive the wheels off this slut.

[Martini]

August 19th, keep your schedule open. Imma try and drive the wheels off this slut.

soooooo two passes then?

[lsxfox]

[QUOTE=Enorbit3;92568]aww come on guys, dont stop now. i only got 1.5 hours more of work and this keeps me entertained.

EDIT: im gonna break all you suckas off with a STOCK 4V.

bow to your master



sorry man, i had to take a nap. Its been a slow day, kinda like rens car:D:D:D:D

[RedRyder]

I'm back from taking a shit. There was corn in it. I made a face like a ford guy would make when popping lm7fox's hood.

[Martini]

I'm back from taking a shit. There was corn in it. I made a face like a ford guy would make when popping lm7fox's hood.

engrish pareez

[1EVLPNY]

yeah and that's an iron block, you can find teksid blocks easily around the 400 range.

:ugh: Vince.

a dart block and a teksid block are in -completely- different leagues.

Exactly. :nod:

---------- Post added 08-06-2010 at 07:57 PM ----------

As for the fox battle, the winner is gonna be the one who doesn't end up leaving on a tow truck. :look:

[lsxfox]

What can i say? I'm ballin'. I can pay a shop to put an aluminum block stroker together for way over 20k. Especially since the heads I bought from B&D racing and paid for them to install now flow enough to support a lil under 400 ci. street combos.
Oh, and I only get machining and shortblocks assembled, power pipes, seats, electric water pump, electric fan, kinked fuel lines, shifter. Everything else is done with my own blood, sweat, and tears. Mostly blood.

Pictures of all the stuff I've owned forthcoming...



Ps;i wouldn't brag about tuning your own car specially when it runs 14's

[grumps91GT]

:rofl: @ the battle of the Foxes


Subscribed :popcorn: :icee:

[Killer281Saleen]

Can I join in with a friend of mine coupe? It's only got 9psi

[dmark101]

August 19th, keep your schedule open. Imma try and drive the wheels off this slut.
let's not get ahead of yourself here.

first, you have to drive it out of synergy's warehouse. :look:

[RedRyder]

Lm7fox, the only factual thing you stated was that my fox ran a 14. You're pretty much talkin out of your ass on everything else. I have to give you a Cminus for effort. I'm beginning to suspect that the only thing you can fabricate is bullshit. Just the facts, maam.

[lsxfox]

Lm7fox, the only factual thing you stated was that my fox ran a 14. You're pretty much talkin out of your ass on everything else. I have to give you a Cminus for effort. I'm beginning to suspect that the only thing you can fabricate is bullshit. Just the facts, maam.

so you didnt have B&D instal these parts for you?
http://lethalstangs.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=586&p=4776#p4776


and sal didnt install the water pump for you?
http://lethalstangs.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=563


B&D didnt install the power pipe right?
The ONLY things B&D did to my car:
Tune it
Install my AFM powerpipe
Unclog the fuel hardline by the filter
Weld bungs for my dual FAST a/f meter


weird, you said, if they were installed backwards, not"if I installed them backwards......

Update:
The msd dizzy is not holding base timing. What a pos. Going back to B&D with the stock one.
Car is running 200 degrees in traffic and also after idling for 20 minutes. My fan is supposed to flow 3000cfm but I guess it's not enough. I also have a fluidyne, 160 tstat, and weiand hiflow waterpump. I'm going to be pissed if the headgaskets were installed backwards!

[lsxfox]

So much misinformation in here, as usual.

FACTS:
1. still 6 months left in 2010
2. my DAILY DRIVEN fox is not at Sinergy for repair work (except for the lil things that have popped up and been taken care of by Mark and the gang)
3. I am getting married in September and planning that takes priority. I can pursue racing anytime, but my girl is only getting married once.
4. I have flofit seats in the fox. I have flofit specific sliders and brackets, so why waste time and money fabricating new ones? I just gotta get them in Mark's hands.


should i keep going?

[Ogbatman]

so you didnt have B&D instal these parts for you?
http://lethalstangs.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=586&p=4776#p4776


and sal didnt install the water pump for you?
http://lethalstangs.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=563


B&D didnt install the power pipe right?


weird, you said, if they were installed backwards, not"if I installed them backwards......

I think u have the wrong person from that site:confused:

Cuz ren had his mm parts for awhile now.

[lsxfox]

nope, its him. what other built car goes 14's. Me and ren go way back.....lol

[1EVLPNY]

Damn there's alot of shit talking in this thread. :popcorn2:

[RedRyder]

should i keep going?

I had the powerpipe installed at B&D's suggestion AFTER I had dropped the car off for a tune. The heads were set down on the block by my brother, I just did the easy part of torquing them down. Every suspension component except the a arms and anything that required welding was also performed by me. Sal hooked up my meziere pump and plumbed my tranny cooler as well. Since you brought him up, let me assure you that his coupe would wipe it's ass with your saboorban. I don't pretend to know as much as you, but I know more than you give me credit for. Many of the people on this board have seen the SBC my brother and I put together for his 86 Monte SS. I just don't feel the need to post up pictures to appease people in a vain attempt to recruit some nutswingers.

Oh, and highlighting that I had some flofit seat brackets to deliver to Mark for the flofit seats at his shop is just dumb. That is not even worth getting into. :laugh: You should quit while you're ahead.

---------- Post added 08-08-2010 at 12:04 AM ----------

nope, its him. what other built car goes 14's. Me and ren go way back.....lol

Oh, and everyone here knows exactly how many 14 second runs my car has put down. Once again, you're late to the party.

[lsxfox]

I had the powerpipe installed at B&D's suggestion AFTER I had dropped the car off for a tune. The heads were set down on the block by my brother, I just did the easy part of torquing them down. Every suspension component except the a arms and anything that required welding was also performed by me. Sal hooked up my meziere pump and plumbed my tranny cooler as well. Since you brought him up, let me assure you that his coupe would wipe it's ass with your saboorban. I don't pretend to know as much as you, but I know more than you give me credit for. Many of the people on this board have seen the SBC my brother and I put together for his 86 Monte SS. I just don't feel the need to post up pictures to appease people in a vain attempt to recruit some nutswingers.

Oh, and highlighting that I had some flofit seat brackets to deliver to Mark for the flofit seats at his shop is just dumb. That is not even worth getting into. :laugh: You should quit while you're ahead.

---------- Post added 08-08-2010 at 12:04 AM ----------



Oh, and everyone here knows exactly how many 14 second runs my car has put down. Once again, you're late to the party.

no, but you sure feel the need to call someone a "broke ass" before you even know what they are about. Don't get your panties in a bunch, i just call it how i see it.

[Killer281Saleen]

Ah this is good, Damon better not come in here and fuck this up by locking it. Or eles!!!

[lsxfox]

nah, im done. This guy pays people to work on his shit then takes credit for it......nothing wrong with paying for work, but dont claim to be el chingon of fox bodys.

[RedRyder]

I guess you have issues with reading comprehension. I want to see ANYONE come on here and post something I've wrongfully taken credit for. I'm not butthurt in the slightest. I just don't think most people that know me, will swallow any of your bullshit. So you're done? Gonna pick up all your toys and leave the sandbox? That's good. I'm pretty much over caring about what you choose to do with your own car. :cheers: Sorry if you got sand in your bergina because I thought you may have been a brokedick. Especially since you posted up just about everything but a paystub. A man that can spend 5k on bicycles must obviously be doing pretty well for himself.

[1EVLPNY]

I guess you have issues with reading comprehension. I want to see ANYONE come on here and post something I've wrongfully taken credit for. I'm not butthurt in the slightest. I just don't think most people that know me, will swallow any of your bullshit. So you're done? Gonna pick up all your toys and leave the sandbox? That's good. I'm pretty much over caring about what you choose to do with your own car. :cheers: Sorry if you got sand in your bergina because I thought you may have been a brokedick. Especially since you posted up just about everything but a paystub. A man that can spend 5k on bicycles must obviously be doing pretty well for himself.


:rofl: :hi5:

---------- Post added 08-08-2010 at 01:44 AM ----------

nah, im done. This guy pays people to work on his shit then takes credit for it......nothing wrong with paying for work, but dont claim to be el chingon of fox bodys.

You keep saying that Ren had his motor built, isn't your motor built by someone else too? After all it is a GM Suburban/Tahoe motor that was built at a GM plant by GM engineers. All you did was take it out of one vehicle and put it in another.

[dmark101]

Ah this is good, Damon better not come in here and fuck this up by locking it. Or eles!!!
or else what? :laugh:

[grumps91GT]

Naw this is toooooo goooooood to get locked up just yet. :laugh:

As far as I know, you can only do so much in your back yard. Eventually, you have to take your car to more professional people with the proper tools to work on your car.

Shit, its not like everyone here owns the whole Snap-on catalog and is a ASE certified tech. There are only a few people on here that are.

[Shaolin Crane]

Naw this is toooooo goooooood to get locked up just yet. :laugh:

As far as I know, you can only do so much in your back yard. Eventually, you have to take your car to more professional people with the proper tools to work on your car.

Shit, its not like everyone here owns the whole Snap-on catalog and is a ASE certified tech. There are only a few people on here that are.

I do. :) Well i have everything craftsman has, and everything they dont make, that i need i have in snap-on and ATD. My truck or car hasnt ever seen a shop, only thing im missing in mine is a lift.

[grumps91GT]

Like I said, few people.

[Shaolin Crane]

I guess you have issues with reading comprehension. I want to see ANYONE come on here and post something I've wrongfully taken credit for. I'm not butthurt in the slightest. I just don't think most people that know me, will swallow any of your bullshit. So you're done? Gonna pick up all your toys and leave the sandbox? That's good. I'm pretty much over caring about what you choose to do with your own car. :cheers: Sorry if you got sand in your bergina because I thought you may have been a brokedick. Especially since you posted up just about everything but a paystub. A man that can spend 5k on bicycles must obviously be doing pretty well for himself.

You said something about being the first with smooth door panels and relocated window switches :look: :D

[Killer281Saleen]

:rofl: :hi5:

---------- Post added 08-08-2010 at 01:44 AM ----------



You keep saying that Ren had his motor built, isn't your motor built by someone else too? After all it is a GM Suburban/Tahoe motor that was built at a GM plant by GM engineers. All you did was take it out of one vehicle and put it in another.

Check out Sean getting in the mix, that's how you do it :rockon:

---------- Post added 08-08-2010 at 10:31 AM ----------

or else what? :laugh:

Nothing, I'm just being a smart ass lol.

[RedRyder]

Nah, I'm positive lm7fox put a performance cam in his motor. Sounds like it from the video he posted up. I never heard a suburban sound like that. I don't think it was just a direct swap.

[1EVLPNY]

Nah, I'm positive lm7fox put a performance cam in his motor. Sounds like it from the video he posted up. I never heard a suburban sound like that. I don't think it was just a direct swap.

I have, its called a dual flowmaster exhaust setup. :look:

But still, he didn't build the motor from scratch by buying each individual part and balancing and assembling it on his own. The motor still came out of another car meaning it was already built by someone else.

[dmark101]

Nothing, I'm just being a smart ass lol.

i know. :asswave: