... 3V Turbo Kit ...another one for the books.

[666]

Well as you know quite a few months ago Mike (exxile, don't know if he's signed up again or not) decided to go with a turbo setup, so he hit me up.

here are a few finished product pictures, and numbers to come this thursday.

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e38/s197devil/turbostuff/pix016.jpg

showing some massive clearance compared to before using another more efficient radiator fan..

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e38/s197devil/turbostuff/IMG01023.jpg

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e38/s197devil/turbostuff/IMG01022.jpg

:asswave: cleanest setup yet.

[BISKIT]

Dude. 3 "kits" and you still don't have a coolant tank!!!!

Come on man.

What's it gonna take?

[666]

The coolant, let me tell you fits perfect and is no longer pinched/bent/hanging anymore.. this is a 2008 Mustang, and the coolant routing a little diffrent and it works perfectly fine.

Personally, I dont see the need to spend more cash on a aluminum unit but if the customer wants one done.. it can be done.

.. and correction this is #5 in the books.

[BISKIT]

The coolant, let me tell you fits perfect and is no longer pinched/bent/hanging anymore.. this is a 2008 Mustang, and the coolant routing a little diffrent and it works perfectly fine.

Personally, I dont see the need to spend more cash on a aluminum unit but if the customer wants one done.. it can be done.

.. and correction this is #5 in the books.

Sorry dude but one bolt holding that coolant tank is not something that I would risk.
You don't need to build an aluminum one for now, but that immediately catches my eye (still) and screams "unfinished".

And who are the other two? I only know of your car (which you sold), sonics (which blew up and you bought) and exxiles.

[dmark101]

i'm a little curious. what kit is that? does it have a relocation for the power steering reservoir? it looks like you're securing it with a cable tie. the turbo looks like it sits really close to the fan, is there any worry about the heat melting the fan assembly? the coolant reservoir doesn't look secure either.

maybe some clearer pics would help as well. that's really fuzzy.

[666]

The pictures don't really show, but the coolant tank isnt moving, or going anywhere.. and the plumbing is routed perfectly. If you need to know, its mounted where the stock-airbox goes.. and if FORD mounted the stock airbox there.. then that's good enough location for me... a MAF is more important to me than a coolant tank.. so quit hating like a city cop by quoting "kits" ... not nice of you.

If you need to know, who else has gone the ... turbo route let me know when you go down to arizona... maybe you'll come across either of the two..

currently, working on a turbo v6 S197 too..

maybe you should toss the STS, and have me build you a "kit" mark...

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http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e38/s197devil/0_IMAG0166jpeg.jpg

before swapping the radiator fan... now we need to make a bracket for the power steering...

[Fender]

gonna have to put a ... turbo kit on the mach! LOL

[BISKIT]

The pictures don't really show, but the coolant tank isnt moving, or going anywhere.. and the plumbing is routed perfectly. If you need to know, its mounted where the stock-airbox goes.. and if FORD mounted the stock airbox there.. then that's good enough location for me... a MAF is more important to me than a coolant tank.. so quit hating like a city cop by quoting "kits" ... not nice of you.

If you need to know, who else has gone the ... turbo route let me know when you go down to arizona... maybe you'll come across either of the two..

currently, working on a turbo v6 S197 too..

maybe you should toss the STS, and have me build you a "kit" mark...

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Dude you are not serious, right?

The airbox weighs about 3 times less than the coolant tank with full coolant all held by one bolt.

I am not hating and I am not telling you anything I didn't tell you a year ago when you first showed me the "kit".
And I will put that in quotation marks Alan as long as I have yet to see something more than a good turbo head unit and some nice piping.
I don't take away from what you have done as it is a good couple of first steps but you are still well within the R&D phase if you ask me.


For the most part you took the Hellion kit made a couple of small changes and called it a kit, but Alan, you are running the coolant tank hanging off the shock tower, the main radiator line milimeters from the surface of a potentially 4-500 degree turbo and hanging power steering tanks with zip ties.
And that is just what we are seeing from the pics. This does not a kit make and hence the " ".

I had issues with STS when they shipped me what they called a "kit" that had a lot left on the table to make it work. We did, and it does.

Please don't take this personally. We have worked closely with Hellion and STS in the past so I think we have earned the notches to speak about mustang turbo kits with some level of experience. These are issues and observations that you should take as constructive criticism as trust me, you would much rather hear it from me than from a customer that is left stranded.

[666]

So I went down to Hellion, took their kit and made some changes to it?

you are incorrect, although I have heard it tunes like a hellion kit..

it's the turbonetics kit I copied incase you didnt know.. and it's half the cost.

well the car has been driving for a bit, just perfectly fine.. and the coolant hoses clear the customer can easily go with a hard line for the coolant if he wishes.. it's no big deal.

so what your saying is you have more credibility to talk about turbos than I do? because you have bolted one or two up for customers?

go get twisted running properly, with the correct gear ratio before you go saying that Mark..

thanks.

[M.Dest.B]

nice pics alan....







how bout we dont start the mudd slinging :look:

[666]

totally forgot, but apperantly mark's vision is starting to go.. the COOLANT TANK is not being held by the shock tower like it was on the RED D3VL vehicle... and if it weighs so damm much when full, then why in the world would FORD mount it on the plastic radiator fan cover thing??? with two tiny bolts??

idont know mang, but you need to stop hating like a city cop.

(i know i say that a lot, but ive been listening to lil' wayne too much)

[M.Dest.B]

plastic radiator fan cover thing


is that the scientific name?

[Blind]

that radiator fan is not large enough to cool that car, at least build a shroud to cover the rest of the radiator so air is pulled through the whole radiator, not a 2' circle of the radiator.

[RyanSterling966]

piping looks great mang. I agree though that a shroud would really help with the cooling. Without it you are in effect narrowing the effective surface of the rad. Plus its really easy to do out of sheet metal. All in all though looks clean mang!

[ka0tyk]

coolant and power steering resivoirs arent really the dealbreaker for me. those things are to be expected with a custom kit and brackets to hold them or custom hoses can always be done later.

congrats on putting all that together. obviously its a huge endeavor to piece all that together. would it help to move the intake on the turbo away from the radiator some? even if it was like 4" longer it would be towards the cold side of the radiator.

[666]

that radiator fan is not large enough to cool that car, at least build a shroud to cover the rest of the radiator so air is pulled through the whole radiator, not a 2' circle of the radiator.

you are right, but running a 160* thermostat (standard on my "kits") helps out.

and 1500CFM is plenty to cool it. ... shit it even cools the turbo. :)

if the customer wants to make a shroud, no problem.

thanks Ryan, ;) finally some credit where it's due.

[BondoSHO]

I found a pic of Alan's first kit

http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/jalopnik/2009/03/Epic_Fail-topshot.jpg

:look:

Alan, they look good, but take people's advice. That turbo is dangerously close to that coolant hose, and the radiator fan. Why are you the only one who can't see that?

[BISKIT]

So I went down to Hellion, took their kit and made some changes to it?

you are incorrect, although I have heard it tunes like a hellion kit..

it's the turbonetics kit I copied incase you didnt know.. and it's half the cost.

well the car has been driving for a bit, just perfectly fine.. and the coolant hoses clear the customer can easily go with a hard line for the coolant if he wishes.. it's no big deal.

so what your saying is you have more credibility to talk about turbos than I do? because you have bolted one or two up for customers?

go get twisted running properly, with the correct gear ratio before you go saying that Mark..

thanks.

Alan I think you confuse me with you buddy. You are the one that has "only bolted two or three "kits" on."
I am not professing any extraoridinary knowledge on the matter as you don't need much to see there are some pretty significant flaws in the design. I mentioned the 3 most obvious to me, but an excellent call on that fan. Without a shroud and with a major blockage in the way you can flow a hurricane of cfm's and it will do you no good.

Another thing you must be confused about is running cars Alan. Twisted IS running just fine and dandy and had no problem keeping up with your devil (that was in boost) without even hitting boost and without Greg's final tune at half throttle. She is hitting 5 pounds now and has been running like a champ for quite a while now to which many here can attest.
But the thing is my dear friend that this thread aint about Twisted so I don't know why you keep wanting to bring that car into the mix when it ran a better time at the track bone stock than yours with your "kit" and as stated above, with no tune and no boost held it's own against your "kit".

If you don't want to take some criticism, don't bother posting your stuff up.
I call em like I see em Alan. Sometimes I can be wrong but I have had enough come across my table over the years to know when something aint right and this just aint.

[Greg@RET]

:lurk:

[BISKIT]

:lurk:

What are you doing here ya poser. Acting like you know anything about turbo'd mustangs!!!!!


:look:

[vtecftw]

http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/jalopnik/2009/03/Epic_Fail-topshot.jpg

almost threw up

[FORCED-AIR-FASTBACK]

Nice kit and nice going for having the balls to do it yourself.NOBODY here is that experienced in fab'ing to do it themsleves but they will tell you what shouldve been done.Theres a couple of MINOR things i would change and if I bought the kit, i would have no problem doing them my way.

Nice going:bow:

[Greg@RET]

NOBODY here is that experienced in fab'ing to do it themsleves

:lurk:

[FORCED-AIR-FASTBACK]

:lurk:oh get out:aaron:








i'll send you a pm on my car, same issue last time i saw you.

[BondoSHO]

Nice kit and nice going for having the balls to do it yourself.NOBODY here is that experienced in fab'ing to do it themsleves but they will tell you what shouldve been done.Theres a couple of MINOR things i would change and if I bought the kit, i would have no problem doing them my way.

Nice going:bow:

Nobody here is criticizing the fabrication, other than saying it looks great, which it does. My thing is the placement of the turbo. Hate to have the guy going down the road and then all the sudden, the hose melt, coolant go spewing, and then *boom*. Just fix a few minor things, and it'll be an awesome kit.

[Her name is Ponie]

Looking good :cool:

[1218shelby]

who did the install? :look:

[V3NOM3S]

looks good, wish I could go turbo one day.

[1218shelby]

looks good, wish I could go turbo one day.



wait a minute, so you are saying Turbos are better than superchargers??

[Her name is Ponie]

looks good, wish I could go turbo one day.

Hellion kit :drool:

[1218shelby]

wtf? you too... so turbos are better?

[Her name is Ponie]

YouTube - 2007 Mustang GT Hellion turbo

YouTube - Saleen mustang twin turbo over 900 rwhp!!!

[dmark101]

as far as efficiency goes jaime, yes. it's what they call "free" horsepower. it's also a very popular option with the s197's. i'm starting to see more and more of them with turbos than with superchargers.

hell, i saw a silver 06 gt on Pass Time the other day and it ran pretty good for only 14 lbs. of boost and a rookie driver. ;)

[1218shelby]

so are they faster than a sc?

hey, they sound better than the Novi.. :sad:

[ExXilE]

There are brackets already made for the Coolant tank, and the power steering res.

Both custom fabricated. The turbo is on a bracket, custom made out of 1inch steel. (could use a polish and coat of powder :D)

The fan and the turbo have MAD clearance. It is not even shifting colors or warping the plastic.

The kit fits perfect, works perfect, and i couldn't ask for more.

Alan has been BEYOND helpful making sure that I'm happy with it, and has taken care of every single problem.

Tonight we finished redoing all the vac. lines and the car just came to life instantly.

I have an appointment at RET for Thursday morning. Time to remap the Base Tune :D

I'll keep you guys posted on what happens, and will Def. post pictures of the finished kit ASAP.

Alan was anxious to get pic's up since he was amazed at how the turbo bracket came out so i guess that is why you guys got a premature showing of the kit.

The Radiator hose is currently Very far from the hot side, but it will be changed out for either A. fitting from Turbonetics (their 08 kit comes with one), or B. a custom hardline from Royal Mufflers.

Any other points of hate i could ease?

[666]

Ahhh Mark...

Your bringing up old shit, my car.. The Devil was a disaster of a turbo kit but guess what? I learned a lot from it and it's quite obvious isnt it? I understand you need to beat a dead horse to make yourself and your establishment seem better, woo hoo... I think everyone gave up on seing twisted make some real power quite sometime ago.. I would of been impressed in 06, maybe 07 ... but it's 09 dude. Never said she wasnt running but lets keep it real.. like you expressed in a PM to me.. I'm no competition as you have a "full blown shop, with experienced technicians" right? well that's what I had expected. I'm a freaking garage based little operation, that caters directly to my customers ONE on ONE, one at a time.. and when I can't be there I contract out to someone reputable. This car with Mike has been a roller coaster ride, but it's soon over and as a matter of fact, Mike just left with a huge smile on his face since I completed the eboost2 controller setup entirely. Did I charge him extra for late hours? no.. Simply took care of it, as I told him I would since day 1.

The fan, the coolant hoses, the wonders of clearance have all been taken care of.. maybe you guys are missing the big picture here, but a turbo bracket was recently made, and the coolant hoses are nowhere near the turbo. Yeah maybe the fan shroud is a amazing idea, but guess what? It wasnt even really a part of the kit itself, it just made big sense to throw it in there and mike himself can let you in on the clearance.

the car is ready to hit the rollers, and that's all that matters.

yeah it took me a few months, but that's way better than a few years.

... FTW.

[dmark101]

okay, time for some people to cool off.

any more sniping and the thread will be closed, mmkay™?

[blackstang06]

Kit looks great, maybe 1 day you can install one on my car :drool:

[ExXilE]

Agreed. In the end we are all part of LAMC... I'm happy to be here, lets not have things go sour over bs. We all have a common connection (Mustangs) so don't separate over shit that doesn't matter! 2 cents is always appreciated, but don't impose what Is right and what Is wrong for the sake of putting another down... especially since we belong to the same car club and roll as a crew.

[666]

FYI, mike.. I don't think your an actual member here.. hahaha just cause your on the boards atleast.. you got the member status on ... though, so dont forget to swing by over there also. Don't have too many haters over there, atleast none that I can't hit the BAN button on...

:)

[Ogbatman]

nice kit can u make one for a sn95?

[dmark101]

Don't have too many haters, at least none that I can't hit the BAN button on...

QFT! :asswave:

[Fender]

This thread is funny... LOL

[FORCED-AIR-FASTBACK]

Nobody here is criticizing the fabrication, other than saying it looks great, which it does. My thing is the placement of the turbo. Hate to have the guy going down the road and then all the sudden, the hose melt, coolant go spewing, and then *boom*. Just fix a few minor things, and it'll be an awesome kit.2 things, turbo blanket and turbo wrap on the DP, not a big deal

[V3NOM3S]

don't post and think your not going to get comments good or bad. IMO looks good and lets see some finished #'s and pic's.

LAMC FTMFW!!!!!

[Martini]

hahaha, Jaimes world just got rocked!!! "wait, turbos are better than superchargers?"

:rofl:

[5litrarag]

wtf? you too... so turbos are better?

Depends on what you want from the setup....

Turbo is far more efficient, but if you want it installed and running in a weekend, a blower setup is hard to beat.

[BISKIT]

LOL man.

So now you are going to insult Sinergy to make your "kit" look better. Whatever dude. I know for a fact that you have not made more than 2 of these "kits" and in fact the one on Mike's car is the same "kit" that you pulled off of Sonics car after it blew up.

Hope Mike has a better future with that "kit".

As far as Twisted making "real" power. You and I both know (as does Greg) that it is literally a turn of a knob away, but like I said, got nothing to prove on this end which I can hardly say for you. My priority is making sure my customers are satisfied and happy with good product and quality installs and not inflating my own ego by having them be my guinea pigs parading around my half finished products.

And finally, quit the LAMC><... bullshit. I (and I am sure I aint the only on here) am more than tired reading about that happy horseshit. It must be nice to be the dictator over there where you can arbitrarily ban whomever disagrees with you but as self appointed "El Jefe" you must remember that you represent your organization and inciting beefs between clubs just because you have a personal disagreement is a sign of weak leadership and poor judgment on your end.

Now back to the ego petting.

[Martini]

for the record, I'm "El Jefe" Jose is "El Mas Chingon" and Alan is "el Gran Queso"

[RyanSterling966]

Nice kit and nice going for having the balls to do it yourself.NOBODY here is that experienced in fab'ing to do it themsleves but they will tell you what shouldve been done.Theres a couple of MINOR things i would change and if I bought the kit, i would have no problem doing them my way.

Nice going:bow:

Ummmm, actually I AM that experienced. And as I said, I think Alan has done a great job with these kits. But there might be a few added items which would improve it. Thats all.

[V3NOM3S]

please stop this nonsense....mod's put them both in the hole.

[dmark101]

Now back to the ego petting.

http://www.merchantaccountblog.com/images/declined.gif

sorry, the petting zoo is closed. thank you for coming and sorry for the inconvenience. :afro: