rebuild

[vtec wht]

So My odometer has 95,000 on the clock! What would I need to rebuild the engine so that it can have alittle taste of boost in the future? I either wanna do the eaton swap or a KB 2.1 blower! Thanx again guys

[LXS]

How's your compression right now? If it's fine, why rebuild? Unless you're planning on boosting more 12-15lbs and/or more, then I would think you wouldn't need a rebuild (if using an Eaton). What are you planning on doing with the car?

[vtec wht]

How's your compression right now? If it's fine, why rebuild? Unless you're planning on boosting more 12-15lbs and/or more, then I would think you wouldn't need a rebuild (if using an Eaton). What are you planning on doing with the car?

I just wanna have just alittle more HP as close as I can get to 450/500 thats more than enough for a DD! maybe hit some 7's a Irwindale!

[LXS]

If all you wanna do is hit 7s at the Dale, then spend your money on suspension, gears, bolt ons, sticky tires, custom tune and work on your driver mod! No need for boost if all you want is 7s! :)

[vtec wht]

haha for sure! thats what I'm planning on doing right now since I'm not driving it! I'm already looking at MM IRS grip in a box, H &R lowering Springs, Bumpsteer and Caster/ Camber plates, Nitto 555R 305/17 out back! .... what do you think I would get a dale with a blower plus tho upgrades?

[LXS]

With a really good driver, all those mods PLUS boost....guesstimating around 400-430hp or so.....I'd say roughly 7.4 give or take. I'm no expert, but that's my guesstimation :)

[vtec wht]

sweet!! I hit a 8.9 with my car stock hopefully I won't need to work on the driver mod won't be mad hard to get into the 7's with those upgrades

[LXS]

Wait up, you have a 4v right, not a 2v?

[vtec wht]

yeah it's a 4v 2001 cobra

[LXS]

I know there are a few somewhat minor differences, but a while back, this guy Sean had an '03 mach 1 and ran (if I remember correctly) an 8.0 or 8.1 with only a drop in filter and gears. With that being said, don't get too happy with that 8.9 or yours, cause I ran that with TWO bad COPs! LoL With a good driver mod, and in bone stock condition, you should be able to hit at around an 8.5-8.7, roughly. So with mods we've talked about already, you should be able to hit 7s without any boost, and low 7s with boost!

[vtec wht]

damn 8.0 with just CAI and Gears! dude my buddy in an 03 cobra hits like 8.5's stock! with my RAI and Nittos I expect now to hit about that time 8.5 to 8.3's! Now lemme ask you this do you have an after market clutch and what RPM are you Launching at? Also you have a SRA!

[LXS]

If I remember correctly, he didn't have a CAI, all he had was a drop in K&N replacement filter! As for my clutch, I'm still runing the factory '03 clutch my car came with, and I was lauching at 3K rpms. What's SRA?

[vtec wht]

Solid Rear Axle. I remember I was gonna get a MACH DSG colored too! but unfortunately the old man passed away about a week before I had all the cash....talk about major suckage! R.I.P Bob

[LXS]

Solid Rear Axle. I remember I was gonna get a MACH DSG colored too! but unfortunately the old man passed away about a week before I had all the cash....talk about major suckage! R.I.P Bob

Wow! Sorry to hear about your loss :sad: Yeah, my car's got a solid rear

[vtec wht]

How much do you think and Eaton swap would cost would it just be more cost efficient to buy a KB?

[LXS]

It depends on what you plan on doing with the car....realisticly. If you can be happy with 380-410ish rwhp, then you'd be perfectly fine with just an Eaton swap. If you have plans on making the car into a track whore, and want to see excess of 500hp, then you'd obviously benefit more from a KB or Whipple. But to get there, you're gonna need a short block that can handle that power! Do you currently have the funds for a stout short block AND a supercharger? If not, it's a toss up as to which you should buy/do first. If you ask any of the other guys here, most of then will more then likely tell you to get a Whipple instead of a KB.

[ka0tyk]

So My odometer has 95,000 on the clock! What would I need to rebuild the engine so that it can have alittle taste of boost in the future? I either wanna do the eaton swap or a KB 2.1 blower! Thanx again guys

lol so what? im at 200k on my stock 4.6...

[LXS]

lol so what? im at 200k on my stock 4.6...

Yeah, but you're not planning on boosting...

[vtec wht]

It depends on what you plan on doing with the car....realisticly. If you can be happy with 380-410ish rwhp, then you'd be perfectly fine with just an Eaton swap. If you have plans on making the car into a track whore, and want to see excess of 500hp, then you'd obviously benefit more from a KB or Whipple. But to get there, you're gonna need a short block that can handle that power! Do you currently have the funds for a stout short block AND a supercharger? If not, it's a toss up as to which you should buy/do first. If you ask any of the other guys here, most of then will more then likely tell you to get a Whipple instead of a KB.

400ish rwhp is cool with me! like I said I still wanna use it as a DD just alittle more fun to it! some CANYON RUNS! tu sabes compa! I just wanna get a general idea about how much all the parts come out to and who can do the swap!?:banana2:

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lol so what? im at 200k on my stock 4.6...

gt or cobra?

[LXS]

Mark can do all the work for you! And Derek has a non PI GT

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Just beware tho man, once you get the taste of more power/faster driving, you'll find yourself getting bored with your set up and want MOAR POWAH!! :laugh: :D

[vtec wht]

Mark can do all the work for you! And Derek has a non PI GT

ooo who's Mark? will I have to supply all the piece's or does he know spots!? damn dude sorry for all the fuckin questions!

[1EVLPNY]

400ish rwhp is cool with me! like I said I still wanna use it as a DD just alittle more fun to it! some CANYON RUNS! tu sabes compa! I just wanna get a general idea about how much all the parts come out to and who can do the swap!?:banana2:

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gt or cobra?

400rwhp is awesome enough for a street car, I know from personal experience. :evil:

If you want I can give you a ride in my car one of these days so you can see what a 400rwhp car is like.

[LXS]

Mark aka Biskit is the owner of Sinergy out in Corona. Go to the site's main forum page, scroll down and look for the "Sinergy" specific thread/forum. Post up and ask away! Or just get his number from his sig and give the iJebus a call! :cheers: :)

[ka0tyk]

gt or cobra?

same thing diff heads...

[vtec wht]

400rwhp is awesome enough for a street car, I know from personal experience. :evil:

If you want I can give you a ride in my car one of these days so you can see what a 400rwhp car is like.

for sure dude! I think for 400ish is chill to for DD use and such! Nice whip by the way I was jocking those saleens :ragenana::ragenana:

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Mark aka Biskit is the owner of Sinergy out in Corona. Go to the site's main forum page, scroll down and look for the "Sinergy" specific thread/forum. Post up and ask away! Or just get his number from his sig and give the iJebus a call! :cheers: :)

for sure! I wanna get this done by summer even if it means doing little by little!

[OttoCobra]

ooo who's Mark? will I have to supply all the piece's or does he know spots!? damn dude sorry for all the fuckin questions!

I'm running about 10lbs of boost on my Eaton swap behind my '01 Cobra motor. Very conservatively tuned, and stock internals...I'm putting down 413RWHP.

BTW: that is with a power thief of a 4R70W/Auto!


HIT up BISKIT Mark/AKA the Jubus!
(He has my photo-detailed book of my OttoCobra build/Exhaustive parts list/and list of all things you would ever dare to want to know about this 03/04 setup when converting to ant ROOTS/Style blower set up when doing this swap to a 4-V 2001 Cobra engine )

[vtec wht]

I'm running about 10lbs of boost on my Eaton swap behind my '01 Cobra motor. Very conservatively tuned, and stock internals...I'm putting down 413RWHP.

BTW: that is with a power thief of a 4R70W/Auto!

thats a good number to be at! so how much does this cost?

[OttoCobra]

thats a good number to be at! so how much does this cost?

Um, you will need some of this... :bling3:... and perhaps some of these :guns: ... and an easy to target liquor store perhaps. :ninja:

(but there are ways to get the cost down that Mark and I can discuss with you, better come see us in person though, we will make sure a chair is ready for you.) :D

[vtec wht]

Bank! :bling3:

(but there are ways to get the cost down that Mark and I can discuss with you, better come see us in person though, we will make sure a chair is ready for you.) :D

hahaha for sure! I'm cool up to 4000....I don't know if thats good or bad..haha:uhhuh:

[OttoCobra]

hahaha for sure! I'm cool up to 4000....I don't know if thats good or bad..haha:uhhuh:

I had to include some changes to my point...:lol:

[vtec wht]

I had to include some changes to my point...:lol:

haha!! shitt fuck it! I got the .45 locked and load brah....sike....pr am I :guns:

[OttoCobra]

haha!! shitt fuck it! I got the .45 locked and load brah....sike....pr am I :guns:

I love to see someone who is prepared.

See you soon I hope.

Thanks to LAMC, we have your get away vehicle needs covered...:nanallama::rockonnana:

[vtec wht]

I love to see someone who is prepared.

See you soon I hope.

Thanks to LAMC, we have your get away vehicle needs covered...:nanallama::rockonnana:


for sure man! let 2010 be the year of BOOST!!!

[BondoSHO]

If you want 7s now, just put a 150 shot on it. You should be good for 2 runs :look:

[BISKIT]

How much do you think and Eaton swap would cost would it just be more cost efficient to buy a KB?


Unfortunately the aftermarket did not really take up the charge when it came to the NA 4v's mainly because it was such a (relatively) small market and because the cars already had high compression and as such were not as boost friendly.

As far as doing a (worthwhile) KB on your car you would have to do everything to convert it's upper and front end to an 03/04 setup, a swap we have done already a couple of times and as far as I know are the only ones with the complete and full parts list (the lists on SVTP performance and Mach1 registry are dreadfully incomplete).

It is a VERY involved swap and not for the faint of heart (or wallet). The parts are harder and harder to come by and many are at quite a premium. (ie: 03/04 timing cover alone lists for nearly 900.00 and that is just one of the over 40 parts needed for the swap.)

Your best bet is to:

1, Find an 03/04 powertrain to swap over.
2, Keep your current setup and run a vortech that was designed to bolt on to your car.
3, Rebuild the motor with a little lower compression and then hit it with some boost.

If you are interested in suspension goodies btw, let me know as we are a Tier 1 dealer for Maximum Motorsports and as such can get you a pretty sweet package deal.

[vtec wht]

Unfortunately the aftermarket did not really take up the charge when it came to the NA 4v's mainly because it was such a (relatively) small market and because the cars already had high compression and as such were not as boost friendly.

As far as doing a (worthwhile) KB on your car you would have to do everything to convert it's upper and front end to an 03/04 setup, a swap we have done already a couple of times and as far as I know are the only ones with the complete and full parts list (the lists on SVTP performance and Mach1 registry are dreadfully incomplete).

It is a VERY involved swap and not for the faint of heart (or wallet). The parts are harder and harder to come by and many are at quite a premium. (ie: 03/04 timing cover alone lists for nearly 900.00 and that is just one of the over 40 parts needed for the swap.)

Your best bet is to:

1, Find an 03/04 powertrain to swap over.
2, Keep your current setup and run a vortech that was designed to bolt on to your car.
3, Rebuild the motor with a little lower compression and then hit it with some boost.

If you are interested in suspension goodies btw, let me know as we are a Tier 1 dealer for Maximum Motorsports and as such can get you a pretty sweet package deal.

Number three of what you put was what I was more leaning towards! As I know that a high mileage motor won't be able to adapt to boost! Maybe some 03 heads to drop the compression! Like I said in some threads before even tho the centrifugal blowers are sweet! I still love the Roots style!

03/04 powertrains are still like 10 grand!!! ahhhhhh

[BISKIT]

Number three of what you put was what I was more leaning towards! As I know that a high mileage motor won't be able to adapt to boost! Maybe some 03 heads to drop the compression! Like I said in some threads before even tho the centrifugal blowers are sweet! I still love the Roots style!

03/04 powertrains are still like 10 grand!!! ahhhhhh

Yep.

On a 4v there really is no cheap solution.

[vtec wht]

Yep.

On a 4v there really is no cheap solution.

so lemme ask you this about how much would a basic MM IRS grip in a box cost to install and is it a big deal? meanig will it take more than one day to do it?

[BISKIT]

so lemme ask you this about how much would a basic MM IRS grip in a box cost to install and is it a big deal? meanig will it take more than one day to do it?

Which part number are you talking about? Is it the first one under IRS grip in a box?


MMR G20
MMR G21
MMR G22

?

[vtec wht]

Which part number are you talking about? Is it the first one under IRS grip in a box?


MMR G20
MMR G21
MMR G22

?
MMR G20! does that always include the bushings?

[Blind]

Number three of what you put was what I was more leaning towards! As I know that a high mileage motor won't be able to adapt to boost! Maybe some 03 heads to drop the compression! Like I said in some threads before even tho the centrifugal blowers are sweet! I still love the Roots style!

03/04 powertrains are still like 10 grand!!! ahhhhhh

mileage means absolutely nothing when it comes to boost. The relatively high compression ratio on the stock 4v n/a motors just limits how much boost you can run safely.

do a leak down and compression test, if all cylinders are within 5% and in the green on the leak down, quit worrying about a rebuild, find a used s/c kit, and slap it on and keep it to around 6psi for a daily driver. 10hp per psi = 60hp gain.

[BISKIT]

MMR G20! does that always include the bushings?

Let me ask you this.

What are you trying to accomplish?

Where do you do your primarily see your driving? Are you more interested in straight line or corner carving?

Honestly, a set of subframe connectors would yield you more results than just that box.

[vtec wht]

Let me ask you this.

What are you trying to accomplish?

Where do you do your primarily see your driving? Are you more interested in straight line or corner carving?

Honestly, a set of subframe connectors would yield you more results than just that box.

really? subframe connectors ? what do they do? ha I wish I could tell you I love both! I love going to irwindale whenever I can but I also loving turns and canyon runs!

[1EVLPNY]

Let me ask you this.

What are you trying to accomplish?

Where do you do your primarily see your driving? Are you more interested in straight line or corner carving?

Honestly, a set of subframe connectors would yield you more results than just that box.

QFT! Sub frames make a huge difference, and so do lower control arms.

[Nicksbluestang]

I ♥ my SFC's

[OttoCobra]

I ♥ my SFC's


I would agree completely but........


I don't think you had them before, right? :whoknows:

[vtec wht]

I would agree completely but........


I don't think you had them before, right? :whoknows:

no sir! never did and never really ever read up on them I thought they were some more for GT owners :frown:

[BISKIT]

no sir! never did and never really ever read up on them I thought they were some more for GT owners :frown:

The main issue is this:

The Fairmont platform on which every Mustang from 79-04 is placed on comes with some pretty serious shortcomings when it comes to chassis rigidity and suspension.

One of the main issues is that short of the convertibles and 03/04 Mach 1's (don't ask why those got em and nothing else) Ford has NOTHING reinforcing the subframe of the cars. And even the convertibles and Mach's only have piece of shit, thin metal bolt in subframe connectors that don't even run the full length.

So in that regard ALL 79-04 Mustangs (even the the verts and machs) benefit immensely from this mod.
It is a cheap mod to do. Basically for 300 bucks you got em and got em on and I dare you to show me one person that got them in and didn't say how much different the car feels and how much more solid the car is.

It basically allows the suspension to finally function the way it should and not have the chassis be the infamous 5th shock absorber.

[vtec wht]

The main issue is this:

The Fairmont platform on which every Mustang from 79-04 is placed on comes with some pretty serious shortcomings when it comes to chassis rigidity and suspension.

One of the main issues is that short of the convertibles and 03/04 Mach 1's (don't ask why those got em and nothing else) Ford has NOTHING reinforcing the subframe of the cars. And even the convertibles and Mach's only have piece of shit, thin metal bolt in subframe connectors that don't even run the full length.

So in that regard ALL 79-04 Mustangs (even the the verts and machs) benefit immensely from this mod.
It is a cheap mod to do. Basically for 300 bucks you got em and got em on and I dare you to show me one person that got them in and didn't say how much different the car feels and how much more solid the car is.

It basically allows the suspension to finally function the way it should and not have the chassis be the infamous 5th shock absorber.

damn I'm sold!! Never knew anything about that but you learn new thing's everyday! so your located in Corona right?

[BISKIT]

damn I'm sold!! Never knew anything about that but you learn new thing's everyday! so your located in Corona right?

That is correct sir.

[vtec wht]

That is correct sir.

thats about a 45 min drive from L.A. not to bad!

[BISKIT]

thats about a 45 min drive from L.A. not to bad!

You are correct. I live in LA and make that commute back and forth daily.