Spinoff from UPR thread

[RedRyder]

Hi, Nick. You owe yorchi 20 bucks. :wave:

[slow232]

damn did know that about there items! Sadly guys I just ordered cosmetic items for the cobra! just a ss rear COBRA bumper! and El Glo face gauges! I hate that our 99 and 01 cobras don't lite up like the 03s at night!

you'll be fine paisa. :cool:

[vtec wht]

you'll be fine paisa. :cool:
oo helll nahh hahaha why is that paisa wey? I was gonna just get the oem cluster from an 03 but I dont got 350 to spare....

[slow232]

oo helll nahh hahaha why is that paisa wey? I was gonna just get the oem cluster from an 03 but I dont got 350 to spare....

Forgive me, I assumed you were a paisa, thats what your cousin Alonso told me. :look:

[Greg@RET]

I can sell you the 03 cluster out of the race car for $300 :angel:

[vtec wht]

what the fuck!! how do you know my cousin alonso? haha weird!

[vtec wht]

I can sell you the 03 cluster out of the race car for $300 :angel:

ha let me know if you hang on to that a bit if the gauges are wack I would love to have the 03 cluster! how difficult is that to install into my 01?

[slow232]

what the fuck!! how do you know my cousin alonso? haha weird!

We were coworkers at one time. Cool cat. :batman:

[vtec wht]

We were coworkers at one time. Cool cat. :batman:

oo thats cool! you roll to irwindale or not really? Nice Saleen

[slow232]

oo thats cool! you roll to irwindale or not really? Nice Saleen

Yeah once in a while, i work walking distance so i try to make it when i can.

It is not a saleen, its a faleen. :fredo:

[vtec wht]

well fuck it ! nice Faleen! I gotta 03 fobra in a way also! just need the drivetrain!! I told him to get on the site! but he's a cool guy!!

[slow232]

well fuck it ! nice Faleen! I gotta 03 fobra in a way also! just need the drivetrain!! I told him to get on the site! but he's a cool guy!!

Hes aware of the site, i spoke to him at GTR. I think hes scared. :asswave:

[vtec wht]

ha I dunno hommie! Imma get um up in this piece! Maybe I'll see you around dawggie

[BISKIT]

So wait, you are telling me that no other company has ripped off a design from another? You are as clueless as a horse.
Every company in one way has "stolen/ripped off" a design from another company but the only difference is that they change design by maybe a measly 10% or so so they dont get any law pursuits on them by the company they took it from...



You do know that weld is a filler, right?
Welds are and will always be the weakest point of anything. So it's no suprise that the welds were cracking. Also, keep in mind that the welds are holding hundreds and hundres of pounds of the car...

Put it this way: if you weld 2 half inch rods together in the middle to make one piece and you bend it or you put alot of pressure/force on it, the weld will be the first thing to start cracking off and break.

Weld is a filler????

Dude... are you serious?

Maybe you need to learn how to adjust your wire feed and or/amperage as a proper weld does not sit on the surface but penetrates the metal surface and actually bonds the two metals together on a molecular level. If you are a noob at welding and/or your equipment is not functioning properly you will only get a bead on the surface which to the unknowing eye might make you think it is welded but in fact that WILL be the weakest point as you have no penetration.

I have to concur with Eric here, please don't speak about things you obviously don't know much about.

Kind of scares me that you work in a metal shop and can say something so wrong.

[v8only]

I actually heard, and could be wrong, and I don't weld, but I heard that a proper weld can be stronger than the metal being welded to...

[BISKIT]

I actually heard, and could be wrong, and I don't weld, but I heard that a proper weld can be stronger than the metal being welded to...

You heard right.

[Her name is Ponie]

pfft just ask azteca mofles :look:

[BISKIT]

pfft just ask azteca mofles :look:

:no:

Borla < Flowmaster

right Juan?

[v8only]

they built a tubular structure (kind of like a tubular table) on one of my shows and welded every point...then dropped it from like a 5 story building...then proceeded to drop heavier and heavier items on it, including massive cinder blocks...the welds were not the first thing to break.

[Her name is Ponie]

according to jerry (azteca owner) yes :laugh:

[Nicksbluestang]

I actually heard, and could be wrong, and I don't weld, but I heard that a proper weld can be stronger than the metal being welded to...

Youre right on that but if you want to properly weld, you dont use a danm wire(MIG) feed for that shit as that is not going to penetrate enough...
The proper way to penatrate the metal would be to bevel the two pieces of metal and TIG weld both pieces.
anyways, what do i know. Im just talking out of my ass even though my proffesion is metal work and welding. Who cares if i've had over 25 years of experiance passed down to me. Who cares about my certification in welding...


And yes Mark. Weld is a filler.
Read up on it.

But yeah, you and Eric must be welders and you guys know it all. I guess just cause anyone can pick up a MIG welder then that makes them a welder. FYI. MIG is the easist type of welding...

BTW, im not saying that i may be 100% right but that im speaking from experiance

Anyways...im out. I dont have time to argue over the internets. If you have any question about welding, please come down to my shop and i will school. I will show you my quality and that i can outweld anyone on here.

[RedRyder]

Pissing contest detected. Subscribing.

[diddy Liquor]

well I dont know shit about welding ....but nick does work with metal for a living so I hope he knows a little something about welding and what not

[Enorbit3]

my urine stream > all other urine streams

[diddy Liquor]

my urine stream > all other urine streams unless the penicillin cleared up your problem My urine stream> yours:batman:

[BISKIT]

Youre right on that but if you want to properly weld, you dont use a danm wire(MIG) feed for that shit as that is not going to penetrate enough...
The proper way to penatrate the metal would be to bevel the two pieces of metal and TIG weld both pieces.
anyways, what do i know. Im just talking out of my ass even though my proffesion is metal work and welding. Who cares if i've had over 25 years of experiance passed down to me. Who cares about my certification in welding...


And yes Mark. Weld is a filler.
Read up on it.

But yeah, you and Eric must be welders and you guys know it all. I guess just cause anyone can pick up a MIG welder then that makes them a welder. FYI. MIG is the easist type of welding...

BTW, im not saying that i may be 100% right but that im speaking from experiance

Anyways...im out. I dont have time to argue over the internets. If you have any question about welding, please come down to my shop and i will school. I will show you my quality and that i can outweld anyone on here.

So let me get this straight:

1, You are not 100% sure but you are schooling.

2, You "dont want to argue" aka don't want to be called out and proven to be a knowitall that truly knows nothing so you rather turn tail and run. (fine by me for that matter).

Nick I will GLADLY take the pepsi challenge and toss either of my two welders into the ring with you as I have seen both their work, in fact so has some of LAMC. I really couldn't give a hoot about what you are certified in as my boys do it for a living just about every day and what is coming out of your mouth sounds more to me like tidbits you heard from your daddy at the dinner table and around his shop than your actual "experience".

Quit riding on the coat tails of your fathers business and show me the money. I want to see something you actually have done as everything you claim seems to not be the case.

I am sure he is a skilled professional and if you would actually shut up and pay attention you might have a lot to learn but until then, please keep your trap shut about things you know little to nothing about.

[95darkhorse]

looks like this thread got a little WAYYYY OFF TOPIC!!!

[BISKIT]

looks like this thread got a little WAYYYY OFF TOPIC!!!

You are right. Time for some pruning.

[dmark101]

<-- can vouch for the quality of one of mark's welding peoples. :nod:

he did a top notch job fixering up tess' exhaust.

[BISKIT]

<-- can vouch for the quality of one of mark's welding peoples. :nod:

he did a top notch job fixering up tess' exhaust.

Who knew we had to improve upon Bassani. LOL.

Yeah, Ryan has come a LONG way when it comes to welding. His most recent version of the side exhuast baffled housings I would put up with just about ANY exhaust manufacturers pieces. All hand measured, cut, fabricated and welded. And even he will admit he still has a long way to go before coming into Marty's realm.

[black3v4.6]

So let me get this straight:

1, You are not 100% sure but you are schooling.

2, You "dont want to argue" aka don't want to be called out and proven to be a knowitall that truly knows nothing so you rather turn tail and run. (fine by me for that matter).

Nick I will GLADLY take the pepsi challenge and toss either of my two welders into the ring with you as I have seen both their work, in fact so has some of LAMC. I really couldn't give a hoot about what you are certified in as my boys do it for a living just about every day and what is coming out of your mouth sounds more to me like tidbits you heard from your daddy at the dinner table and around his shop than your actual "experience".

Quit riding on the coat tails of your fathers business and show me the money. I want to see something you actually have done as everything you claim seems to not be the case.

I am sure he is a skilled professional and if you would actually shut up and pay attention you might have a lot to learn but until then, please keep your trap shut about things you know little to nothing about.

I am sorry but if your guys are not certified then they aren't real welders. Welding exhaust pipes are nothing to a true welder. And if they are truly good welders then there is no reason not to get certified. That right there tells me they are not real welders. And to bring up MIG as an example of there skills is pretty funny. I have seen my friend that used to be a welder weld two razor blades together and cut a beer can in half and reweld it. And he hasn't worked as a welder in 20 years. And when you weld you are heating up the metal to weld causing it to be weaker than it was before. Even with the proper pentration. And you know the rod you use in gas/Tig/Arc is actually called FILLER rod right? It does the same purpose as the wire feed in MIG. And if you don't use FILLER like in a butt joint then it actually under cuts the sides of the base metal to fill the weld

[BISKIT]

1, Where did you read that Martin was not certified?

2, The example of exhaust pipes was brought up by Damon, not me. That job accounts for about 1% of the skill set he applies on a daily basis.

Thanks for your input but easy there turbo.

[Martini]

i dont know my ass from my elbow when it comes to welding, but if welds done properly are stonger than the material being welded (and i can reason why it could be) why not make the part pure welds?

[RedRyder]

:ugh: Fredo ftw, sorta.

[Enorbit3]

my knowledge of welding is very minimal.

[Her name is Ponie]

my knowledge of welding is very minimal.

[RedRyder]

I can barely solder, LOL.

[Nicksbluestang]

i dont know my ass from my elbow when it comes to welding, but if welds done properly are stonger than the material being welded (and i can reason why it could be) why not make the part pure welds?

its called cast iron. :look:

[Enorbit3]

my knowledge of cast iron is very minimal.

[Nicksbluestang]

my knowledge of cast iron is very minimal.

what about your knowledge about harden steel?

[Enorbit3]

afraid to say im at a loss....terrible loss.

[BISKIT]

what about your knowledge about harden steel?

What the hell is "harden" steel?

Another thing to add to your list of things to learn how to do:

- Learn how to spell.

[Nicksbluestang]

So let me get this straight:

1, You are not 100% sure but you are schooling.

2, You "dont want to argue" aka don't want to be called out and proven to be a knowitall that truly knows nothing so you rather turn tail and run. (fine by me for that matter).

Nick I will GLADLY take the pepsi challenge and toss either of my two welders into the ring with you as I have seen both their work, in fact so has some of LAMC. I really couldn't give a hoot about what you are certified in as my boys do it for a living just about every day and what is coming out of your mouth sounds more to me like tidbits you heard from your daddy at the dinner table and around his shop than your actual "experience".

Quit riding on the coat tails of your fathers business and show me the money. I want to see something you actually have done as everything you claim seems to not be the case.

I am sure he is a skilled professional and if you would actually shut up and pay attention you might have a lot to learn but until then, please keep your trap shut about things you know little to nothing about.

:laugh:

1.Reason i said I MAY not be ciento perciento correcto is because there are some things i missed.

2.I dont want to argue over the internet because why do that when i can do it in person hence the reason i said to come on down to my shop.


You really do think that im coat tailing my dad and his shop and am only speaking from his experiance.

Yeah dude I must know nothing and only speak from my dad's experiance even though i am the shop foreman....

My skills in what i do are superb and if you dont believe me then allow me to post up some picture tomorrow of some of the jobs i am working on.

Your "boys" may do that for a living but that doesn't mean that they are good in welding. Ive had many people tell me that they weld for a living and when i put them up to the test they couldnt for shit. Let me ask you this - what kind of welding do your boys do?

The only person to not know anything about welding is you. You proved it with this post:↓↓↓↓
Weld is a filler????

You didnt even know that weld is a filler. It is a filler and was even backed up with this post: http://www.lamustangclub.com/forums/showpost.php?p=49872&postcount=31
Still dont believe me? go grab a welding book and read it. That is one of the most inportant things you learn when welding.

Maybe you need to learn how to adjust your wire feed and or/amperage as a proper weld does not sit on the surface but penetrates the metal surface and actually bonds the two metals together on a molecular level. If you are a noob at welding and/or your equipment is not functioning properly you will only get a bead on the surface which to the unknowing eye might make you think it is welded but in fact that WILL be the weakest point as you have no penetration.

lol. The bolded does not apply to MIG
Anyone that knows welding knows that if you want to get a good penetration then you dont use MIG (wire feed). Why is that? MIG feeds the wire wire over the metal and layers over it. As said earlier in one of my post, For good penetration you will need to used TIG since it heats up the butt ends of the metal causing them to fuse together and adds the filler rod over it.

The only way MIG welding has a chance on penetrating good is when you are working with a minimum of 3/16" thick material and you bevel the butt ends of the 2 pieces so you can fill it in with the weld.

---------- Post added 12-08-2009 at 05:37 PM ----------

What the hell is "harden" steel?

Another thing to add to your list of things to learn how to do:

- Learn how to spell.

Meant to say hardened steel...

---------- Post added 12-08-2009 at 05:39 PM ----------

I am sorry but if your guys are not certified then they aren't real welders. Welding exhaust pipes are nothing to a true welder. And if they are truly good welders then there is no reason not to get certified. That right there tells me they are not real welders. And to bring up MIG as an example of there skills is pretty funny. I have seen my friend that used to be a welder weld two razor blades together and cut a beer can in half and reweld it. And he hasn't worked as a welder in 20 years. And when you weld you are heating up the metal to weld causing it to be weaker than it was before. Even with the proper pentration. And you know the rod you use in gas/Tig/Arc is actually called FILLER rod right? It does the same purpose as the wire feed in MIG. And if you don't use FILLER like in a butt joint then it actually under cuts the sides of the base metal to fill the weld

We have a winnAr

[Nicksbluestang]

This was taken from the other thread.
Well I would assume you would have to know something otherwise I don't know what use you would be around your dad's shop, other than that I only have the dumb shit you have posted up on here to go off which seriously calls into question what you do know about it, but your welding skills (or lackthereof) are a topic in another thread.

FYI, to give you some insight of what i do at the shop:
There are 2 foremen in the shop. I am one of them. Not only do i run the shop but i also do custom fabrication which ranges from shearing, punching, break pressing, rolling, forming, weld3ring, and polishing. Aside from that I also do teh CAD drawings and go out and take measurements.

[BISKIT]

Oh boy. You still have a lot to learn young grasshopper.

"Heating up metal weakens it" is about the vaguest (and as a result incorrect) statement in this thread. One of the main differences between the two (MIG/TIG) is that you can vary the heat on TIG, but the "weakening" only occurs when you have too much amperage and overheat the metal.
That is an issue of inexperience and inability to evaluate the material. Furthermore please show me the data and math on what constitutes "weakening" ie: shearing forces applied = to failure.

Welding exhaust is simple. Welding a floorpan on a car is not so simple. Welding a rusted floorpan is even harder. Welding boron steel is infinately harder. See where I am going with this?

I think the about two dozen cars or so that have had welding work done by us on LAMC from Marcello, Daniel, Tess, Kevin, Jeff, etc, etc, can speak for themselves when it comes to expertise and proficiency of my staff.

I am sure you have learned a lot around your dads shop and I am sure there are things you are good at but so far, for all the jaw wagging you have done since I have known you the only thing I have known you to weld was your antenna. Prove me wrong. Please, do so as I am sure you are great and all but so far what has come out of your mouth sounds more like regurgitated half truths to cover up some of the stupid statements that you have been called out not only by me on.

A little humility and humbleness might be a good recipe for you as we do not claim to be the end all be all, far from it, but at the end of the day, people pay us to work on their projects and so far we have had ZERO issues with anything either of my two have fabricated and/or welded, be it MIG/TIG or otherwise.

[Enorbit3]

a11 y0uR w31ds5 R b310n6 70 m333333!!!!!!

:rawr:

[Nicksbluestang]

LOL. This has become a joke and entertainment. There is no arguing with you since you always have to have the last word in everything and feel the need to always give lenghty post to make it seem like you know what you are saying.
You stick to what you do and i'll stick to what i do. Your work speaks for itself as my work speaks for me. Stick to your logic and i'll stick to mine.

Like Gio told me earlier, We'll have our wallets do teh talking. ;)

profits >> wages

and with that said. I am done and out of this thread.

---------- Post added 12-08-2009 at 08:03 PM ----------

a11 y0uR w31ds5 R b310n6 70 m333333!!!!!!

:rawr:

OMG Hi 2 you QT pie :wave:

[BISKIT]

LOL. This has become a joke and entertainment. There is no arguing with you since you always have to have the last word in everything and feel the need to always give lenghty post to make it seem like you know what you are saying.
You stick to what you do and i'll stick to what i do. Your work speaks for itself as my work speaks for me. Stick to your logic and i'll stick to mine.

Like Gio told me earlier, We'll have our wallets do teh talking. ;)

profits >> wages

and with that said. I am done and out of this thread.

---------- Post added 12-08-2009 at 08:03 PM ----------



OMG Hi 2 you QT pie :wave:

Don't you all love it when someone accuses you of being a last word freak and then puts in the last word?

LOL.

Whatever dude. I bring facts, you bail. That is fine.
I tell you to back your shit up, you bail. Again, that is fine.


-Posts this and waits for Nick to come back with another smartass remark stirring the pot and leaving when his shit gets called out. -

[Nicksbluestang]

Don't you all love it when someone accuses you of being a last word freak and then puts in the last word?

LOL.

Whatever dude. I bring facts, you bail. That is fine.
I tell you to back your shit up, you bail. Again, that is fine.


-Posts this and waits for Nick to come back with another smartass remark stirring the pot and leaving when his shit gets called out. -

How am i bailing out? Earlier i said that i will be posting pictures of my work tomorrow. Better yet here's an idea - since we are meeting up at the Hat tomorrow and since my shop is down the block from the Hat, I invite you over to my shop and i'll give you a walk around of it and what i do and my work. The offer stands.

[BISKIT]

I thought you were out...

Boy I love posting in white. LOL.

But in all seriousness. You have nothing to prove to me Nick. I couldn't give a rats ass what you do and how you do it. I don't sign your checks. All I take issue with is you talking about stuff that you portray yourself as an authority on and are not willing to either have an intelligent debate about or take a step back from it when called out.

That is all.

All right folks. I am done for the night. I'll be back tomorrow to install some more floormats. (A little pun for the old skoolers. Pat I know you loved that one. LOL)

[Martini]

:destboi:

[Enorbit3]

all your blahs r belong to meeee

:nod:

[YORCHI]

:popcorn:

[Martini]

Gimmie my blahs back!!!!

[1EVLPNY]

Gimmie my blahs back!!!!

Here you go Fredo: :destboi: :destboi: :destboi:

:look:

[Martini]

thank you :iluvu:

[dmark101]

I'll be back tomorrow to install some more floormats

so, how are those contrails btw. :laugh: