Saw a new Camaro at Felix

[Killer95Stang]

I stopped with a buddy at Felix to see the new Camaro. He's been waiting like everyone else to buy one, but hasn't been sure about the car since he never saw one up close. Felix only had one Red V-six in the showroom. Personally, too red for me.

As of now.... he will not be buying one, since even in this terrible economy, they are marking up this V-sux by $10K. $38K for a V-sux was the final sticker price.... HELL NO!!!!

[FORCED-AIR-FASTBACK]

my buddy was working a deal at Selman,$28k for a V6

[RedRyder]

Chevy will not supply stealerships with inventory if those assholes start with their ridiculous markups.

[Killer95Stang]

my buddy was working a deal at Selman,$28k for a V6

$28K still seems high for a V-six... Am I missing something? Is this car really worth that kind of price? I was thinking they should be around $21-22K for the V-six

[FORCED-AIR-FASTBACK]

according to the guy at work, fully loaded,HID lights,paddle shift,nav 10 speaker stereo etc.

Really sucks the v6 put out more HP then Fords 4.sick V8

[BISKIT]

according to the guy at work, fully loaded,HID lights,paddle shift,nav 10 speaker stereo etc.

Really sucks the v6 put out more HP then Fords 4.sick V8

Lets compare apples to apples Mario.

The 4.6 puts out 15 more hp (sad that it is only that, but oh well. Gotta wait for the 400hp coyote engine.)

And even though there is only a 15 horse difference the v6 slowmaro is a good 2 seconds slower in the quarter than a stock s197.

And seeing as how you can STILL buy 08/09 GT's brand new for just around 20k, a 28k v6 is not exactly appetizing and for 38 is a bad joke.

[FORCED-AIR-FASTBACK]

Not everything has to be compared to in straight line numbers.I was just saying i think its pretty impressive that V6 is making that number as opposed to the mustangs V6. Yeah its great the Mustang has FINALLY broke the 300HP mark with the same dated 16 year old 4.6 that came about first in the Mark VIII and then T bird. Im a big Ford fan like the next guy and LIKE my 06', but Ford is and always will be behind Chevy as far as engineering.

[RedRyder]

and they'll always be behind Ford in sales as well.

[error404]

and they'll always be behind Ford in sales as well.

so? :whoknows:

[RedRyder]

so? :shrug:

[error404]

So... what's sales got to do with it? :-) Or was that the typical mustang's jab at the camaro, the one thing it does better, sell more? :keke:

[RedRyder]

Mustang interior has always been better than the camaro's. Live axle rear ends have always been better with ford.

[M.Dest.B]

your paying for the name, not the car. fuck that. i'd rather pull off the lot with a GT and drop that extra $ on some fi.....

[5litrarag]

425 hp Camaro SS w/ IRS and Brembos = 31k


Hey Ford, give me something to beat that.
(waits for repsonse)

[M.Dest.B]

425 hp Camaro SS w/ IRS and Brembos = 31k


Hey Ford, give me something to beat that.
(waits for repsonse)

wow, that means the guy buying the v6 for 28K is getting ripped the fuck off :rofl:





get a realistic number....

[RyanSterling966]

Chris kinda has a point there Kev. I mean in theory that would be an unbeatable package. But sadly I doubt we will see one ever sold like that. I really think the dealerships needs to watch their shit on how hard the push those premiums. In this economy people will turn off quickly. And if the camaro has actually taught us anything in the past its that enthusiast sales are not enough to keep a car alive. They need to sell the 6's like hotcakes to justify the big dogs. And they simply wont with those numbers.

[M.Dest.B]

Ryan kinda has a point there Kev. We're gonna have to wait @ least a year or two before the mark-ups go away and THEN we can see what they are rally offered @.... When the 05 mustang came out it was marked up for a year and a half....

[RyanSterling966]

I just hope the dealerships recognize what a thin veil is holding there market bas right now. I really dont think it will take much for them to turn off customers. And I think that would be sad quite frankly. Im excited the new Challenger and Camaro are out. Competition should give us a better pony car!

[5litrarag]

wow, that means the guy buying the v6 for 28K is getting ripped the fuck off :rofl:





get a realistic number....


Realistic? Thats said to be MSRP... :shrug:

Remember we went though all this with Jeff before the board crashed?

So now we are considering the markups too? Even though they vary from dealer to dealer?
How can you do that? None of the auto writers consider markups even though they acknowledge that they exist.....

So lets see your beloved Mustang is the better so-called value until the markups go away?

[RedRyder]

Lol. You can't just dismiss markups. Money is money. These asshole stealerships are going to screw things up. I wanna see these cars on the street NOW.

[Enorbit3]

Realistic? Thats said to be MSRP... :shrug:

Remember we went though all this with Jeff before the board crashed?

So now we are considering the markups too? Even though they vary from dealer to dealer?
How can you do that? None of the auto writers consider markups even though they acknowledge that they exist.....

So lets see your beloved Mustang is the better so-called value until the markups go away?

when u get your camaro ss with 425hp and IRS, etc etc, for 31k, then u can tell us whats what....until then, u are just speculating as to pricing, regardless of what u say MSRP is.....

as for that v6 camaro goin for 38k, that is a fact as its on a showroom floor and you can go see for yourself. so like i said, until u bring one home or someone can show me a SS camaro being sold at 31k, then im sorry, i will stick to my "better valued, beloved" mustang.

[error404]

when u get your camaro ss with 425hp and IRS, etc etc, for 31k, then u can tell us whats what....until then, u are just speculating as to pricing, regardless of what u say MSRP is.....

as for that v6 camaro goin for 38k, that is a fact as its on a showroom floor and you can go see for yourself. so like i said, until u bring one home or someone can show me a SS camaro being sold at 31k, then im sorry, i will stick to my "better valued, beloved" mustang.

right now, I would expect the prices to be pretty high! Bringing back an older model car, much anticipated, few available, I've got no doubt that the prices will stay high for the first 1/2 or even longer! After the initial bang goes away, I bet the prices will settle down to what they should be. I don't think you can compare the prices you see right now to the prices that they will settle down to. With the markups and all.

However, I do think that the base prices that are assigned are a bit to high, when you look at how the mustang is priced. But I don't think the comparison can be perfect, since you're getting "more" car with the Camaro, LS engine, IRS, 6 speed, and so on.

[Enorbit3]

right now, I would expect the prices to be pretty high! Bringing back an older model car, much anticipated, few available, I've got no doubt that the prices will stay high for the first 1/2 or even longer! After the initial bang goes away, I bet the prices will settle down to what they should be. I don't think you can compare the prices you see right now to the prices that they will settle down to. With the markups and all.

However, I do think that the base prices that are assigned are a bit to high, when you look at how the mustang is priced. But I don't think the comparison can be perfect, since you're getting "more" car with the Camaro, LS engine, IRS, 6 speed, and so on.

i agree with you, but to say you are gonna get a big dog camaro for 31k right now is a joke....sure, maybe a year down the line, but right now, i dont think so....

who knows tho, i could be wrong. :shrug:

[5litrarag]

when u get your camaro ss with 425hp and IRS, etc etc, for 31k, then u can tell us whats what....until then, u are just speculating as to pricing, regardless of what u say MSRP is.....

as for that v6 camaro goin for 38k, that is a fact as its on a showroom floor and you can go see for yourself. so like i said, until u bring one home or someone can show me a SS camaro being sold at 31k, then im sorry, i will stick to my "better valued, beloved" mustang.

I'm not speculating... My sis works for GM corporate and if I were so inclined I could get an SS for less than 28k. But thats another story....

MSRP for an SS starts at 30,995. Fact. Just like the G8 GT....same number.

And there are plenty of dealers that will sell at MSRP...
So long as you're willing to place an order, put down a deposit and fill out the paperwork.

A single, lower option car that has been sighted at a dealership with a random markup cannot refute the pricing set by GM. Period.

Thats like saying all GT500s sell at over 50k now because there are still dealers with 10k+ markups....

[Enorbit3]

well i stand corrected. :steve:

EDIT: but im still waiting for ppl to get some SS camaros for 31k out the door.

[error404]

there's no markup or anything when you order one, right? Or can they somehow find a way to markup the orders?

[5litrarag]

there's no markup or anything when you order one, right? Or can they somehow find a way to markup the orders?

Factory order is the only way to go on a car thats highly anticipated like this... that way you not only get exactly the options and color you want, you dont have every swingin' dick yahoo that comes into the dealership sitting in your car before you do since they usually will rope it off if its inside the showroom, or leave it out back in a secured area (well thats what they are supposed to do...).
And when you place an order, delivery price is discussed right then... if they insist on sticking a markup on it at that point you can simply walk. Its the perfect crime. :devil:

[M.Dest.B]

well my baby momma's aunt works for ford and could get me a GT for 18K :look:





like i said, if GM is planning on selling it for 30-35K


why would anyone want the v6?

[5litrarag]

well my baby momma's aunt works for ford and could get me a GT for 18K :look:





like i said, if GM is planning on selling it for 30-35K


why would anyone want the v6?



Because obviously the markup is at THAT dealership only....



jesus christ. :no:


That is why I said you cannot consider these markups when you're trying to compare these cars.

Ford's MSRP on a mustang v. Chevy's MSRP + dealer's "market price adjustment" addendum. Yeah, thats an equal comparison. :hammer:

[M.Dest.B]

MSRP:23K for a v6, 31K for a v8.... still dont see how ANYONE would want the v6 :whoknows:

[Enorbit3]

some ppl dont have an extra 8k to spend :shrug:

[M.Dest.B]

mustang gt : low 20k:whoknows: :look:

[5litrarag]

Some people dont give a shit about going fast...

A similar argument I heard recently was about the 6 cyl G8 v. the G8 GT...the 6 cyl. gets like 24 mpg or something like that.... the GT gets like 2 mpg less. And the question was asked, well why get the V6 when most, if not all the same options are available otherwise.
Some people dont care about getting the LS motor in that car... they just like the car.

[M.Dest.B]

thats some but i doubt its the majority. but i think its more of a mix.... ppl that dont know wsup, ppl that dont care its only a v6, GM nutswingers....


who buys a 30 thousand dollar car, waits X amount of time for the new camaro, and doesnt give a **** about going fast?

and u mentioned the G8... thats a nice car... imma go look @ next years line... oh wait.... :look:

[5litrarag]

If most people cared about going fast there wouldnt be a lower model Camaro or G8 or whatever.
And the lower model would not outsell the upper model. Ever.

Fact is, most people think of cars as just a tool to get them from point A to point B.
Thats why Honda and Toyota rule the sales rankings with their boring, plain vanilla cars.

[M.Dest.B]

damn those bloody japs :-/




thread hijack: have u guys seen the genises coupe? saw the commerical havnt looked into just, just curious what u guys think...

[Killer95Stang]

damn those bloody japs :-/




thread hijack: have u guys seen the genises coupe? saw the commerical havnt looked into just, just curious what u guys think...

If you have enough strength in your fingers to announce that your about hijack "another" thread.... why not make your own gawd damm fucken thread. Jeeeeeeeeeeezus....

Back on topic.... I'd put the pricing of the SS right at about the same price as the Hemi Challenger. How are the prices on those cars now? Still marking them up?

[RyanSterling966]

I do not believe that ordering the car will do you any favors as far as getting around the markup. They are going to charge you whatever they want to anyways. You are still buying from that dealer not from GM. When I ordered mine. I had to put a grand down for them to submit the build sheet. Then that just got rolled into my DP. Anyways, point is that most dealers would prefer you to buy from their inventory. I screwed buerge on both ends on that one. Custom order and x plan. BOOOOO_YA brought my own financing as well. ;) Nice folks over there though. They were cool about it.

[96GTS]

Yeah its great the Mustang has FINALLY broke the 300HP mark with the same dated 16 year old 4.6 that came about first in the Mark VIII and then T bird.
The 4.6 broke the 300hp mark in 96.

[error404]

MSRP:23K for a v6, 31K for a v8.... still dont see how ANYONE would want the v6 :whoknows:

3 main reasons I can see someone buying a V6 (well, possibly 4 reasons)

1. those who don't care about performance or know anything about cars, "non-car person" but I want a mustang/camaro because maybe they like how it looks, or maybe their father had one years back. Think secretary or moms/dads who just want the car.

2. those who want a mustang/camaro, but can't afford (or are unwilling to pay) the extra for the bigger motor, and settle for the V6. (upfront cost, as well as possibly insurance cost)

3. those (parents/family) who give someone else the car (young drivers) and don't want them having the extra power of the bigger motors to try and keep them out of trouble.

and possibly 4. those who want the smaller motor for better fuel economy. Though I can't really understand that, since if you want fuel economy, you don't buy a muscle car :)

Or a mix of all 4. :keke:

[1EVLPNY]

The 4.6 broke the 300hp mark in 96.

+1 96-98 Cobra: 305hp/300tq

[M.Dest.B]

3 main reasons I can see someone buying a V6 (well, possibly 4 reasons)

1. those who don't care about performance or know anything about cars, "non-car person" but I want a mustang/camaro because maybe they like how it looks, or maybe their father had one years back. Think secretary or moms/dads who just want the car.

2. those who want a mustang/camaro, but can't afford (or are unwilling to pay) the extra for the bigger motor, and settle for the V6. (upfront cost, as well as possibly insurance cost)

3. those (parents/family) who give someone else the car (young drivers) and don't want them having the extra power of the bigger motors to try and keep them out of trouble.

and possibly 4. those who want the smaller motor for better fuel economy. Though I can't really understand that, since if you want fuel economy, you don't buy a muscle car :)

Or a mix of all 4. :keke:

indeed those are all fine reasons... and pretty much all of them are true.... :cheers:

[Nicksbluestang]

+1 96-98 Cobra: 305hp/300tq

yet they still get an ass beating by a stock 3v :keke:

[vtecftw]

selling @ 28K all the way to bankruptcy court

[FORCED-AIR-FASTBACK]

The 4.6 broke the 300hp mark in 96.I wasnt referring to the SVT DOHC limited production engine,thanks

[96GTS]

I wasnt referring to the SVT DOHC limited production engine,thanks
In one sentence, you referred to the 2V, 3V, and 4V. Maybe you shoulda been more specific in which models you were excluding....

[FORCED-AIR-FASTBACK]

I think my exact words were "its great the Mustang has FINALLY broke the 300HP mark ". Does anybody with a Mustang say they have a Mustang or a Cobra???. I didnt put the Cobra in there because it was and has been limited production and not refered to by many as a "Mustang"

[96GTS]

I think my exact words were "its great the Mustang has FINALLY broke the 300HP mark ". Does anybody with a Mustang say they have a Mustang or a Cobra???. I didnt put the Cobra in there because it was and has been limited production and not refered to by many as a "Mustang"
What about the 2nd half of that same sentence ".....with the same dated 16 year old 4.6 that came about first in the Mark VIII and then T bird".

You referenced the Mark VIII....4V.

Anyways, doesnt matter. I know what you're saying now. Production Mustang GT, not necessarily the 4.6 motor, broke 300hp. Back to the 2014 Camaro.....

[1EVLPNY]

yet they still get an ass beating by a stock 3v :keke:

And my 2V whoops on stock 3Vs all day long (ask the california special that tried and failed :laugh:) :burnout:

[Nicksbluestang]

What are the mods to your 2v?

FYI, all these special edition mustangs are the slows....just ask jaime.

[RedRyder]

I fear no n/a 3V. Or a vsux camaro. Thanks.

[Killer95Stang]

425 hp Camaro SS w/ IRS and Brembos = 31k

Hey Ford, give me something to beat that.
(waits for repsonse)

I guess the recession is over.... since the SS's have started hitting Ebaymotors.... and the "buy it now" price is averaging about $47K for your $31K SS with suspension and Brembo's.

Although that car is probably a pretty awesome car, why not get a Vette at that price?

[5litrarag]

I guess the recession is over.... since the SS's have started hitting Ebaymotors.... and the "buy it now" price is averaging about $47K for your $31K SS with suspension and Brembo's.

Although that car is probably a pretty awesome car, why not get a Vette at that price?

Yeah and since there is no such thing as "markup" or "adjustments for current market" I guess it really is selling at 45k+.

C'mon man....

Look here
http://www.chevrolet.com/allnewcamaro/#camaro=build-your-own


Those MSRP prices I quoted before are not my words.... Its theirs. I'm just telling you guys what my sister told me a month or so ago.

[error404]

I guess the recession is over.... since the SS's have started hitting Ebaymotors.... and the "buy it now" price is averaging about $47K for your $31K SS with suspension and Brembo's.

Ebay BIN prices are hardly a guide. I see prices on there all the time that are way higher than what they should be. Even stuff that you can walk over to a store and buy right now, for cheaper than the BIN price on ebay. Not saying you can get an SS for less than 47 right now, but that's why it's on ebay, cause someone wants to make some money trying to sell one of the first ones to someone who doesn't want to wait for an ordered one.

[M.Dest.B]

but killer95stang has a good point.


@ msrp they would make sense but if theres a huge markup, why not just get a vette?

[MikeEMT609]

I saw a couple of new Camaros in Glendale today. The 1st one was on Brand Blvd close to Star Ford (Black car, not sure if it was sold or on a test drive) and the 2nd was in the showroom at Allen Gwynn Chevrolet.
The car in the showroom was a red v-6 with a sticker price of $30,000 and a $7,000 markup, $37,000 asking price.

The car looks nice in person, better then the pictures we have all seen.

[Blanco32v]

theres a yellow one in montebello. now i really dont like it :puke: . It looks like it doesnt know if it wants to be fat or small. Like the transition when a fatass says "maybe i SHOULDNT eat this burger"

[RedRyder]

haters. Y'all better step your game up. The mullet boys are back!

[1EVLPNY]

haters. Y'all better step your game up. The mullet boys are back!

Don't worry, I am. Should be getting this sometime this week:

http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z73/offcrazad/DSC05004.jpg

http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z73/offcrazad/DSC04992.jpg

:devil:

[Killer95Stang]

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[Frisky]

I saw a SSIICCKK ASS Camaro roll by me in Sunland,CA. Beautiful RED. Baller status.



That is all.